#1
So The Church I play for wants me to have a more epic, huge, spacious, cathedraly sound after hearing some dude use a reverse delay, and an ocean of reverb on some song, and since they sign my checks, it is now my priority to nail this sound. You know that sound that pretty much every (white) contemporary christian band uses, where they play Em7- C- G -D all while holding a D and G on the top two strings... Anyway, what reverb pedals would you recommend to acheive this ocean of sound my employers hanker after? I'm guessing it would have to be something digital, and most likely not a Holy grail. But then, i've never been much of a reverb guy so I wouldn't really know. I used to have a Boss RV-3 back in the day and it was pretty good, but that's been discontinued and I've heard bad things about subsequent Boss reverbs. What about the Line 6 tonecore Verbzilla? I'm looking at it now. it seems capable of what I'm going for. Does anyone else have a suggestion?

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#2
Holy grail would be ironically perfect for a church band. Line6 makes superb products from my experience. What i suggest you do is take your amp and guitar in to your closest GuitarCenter and try out every pedal they have. Tell the sales guy that you are definitely going to buy a pedal from him and he wont mind anything you do. Testing it out yourself with your own equipment is the only way to be sure you get what sound you need.
#3
damn! i was gonna say the holy grail as the name kinda fits the whole curch thingy lol.... plus its a sweet reverb
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#4
holy grail definitely

and you should probably check out a chorus pedal as well (small clone is great)
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you should get a second identical amp or maybe a stereo head and 2 cabs and set up a stereo delay with some chorus and reverb. that'd sound decently epic.
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#7
id say the boss rv-5, the holy grail to me sounds kind of tinny/subtle. the boss has alot more depth. i also compared the boss rv-5 to a line 6 verbzilla and the verbzilla had some cool features but the boss's tone just beat it, it is a lot more thick and lush. i really dont see why they get called digital and sterile around here, if anything i thing the holy grail is sterile.
#8
I'd check out a reverb, chorus, and delay at your local music shop. Any particular reason you don't think the Holy Grail would work? Its a really nice reverb.
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I would go with a delay and set it with a fairly quick respose, similar to reverb but a bit more of an echo. It gives you a more natural sound.

Nothing beats the spring reverbs in Mesa Boogies and Fender amps though.
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I've Got a Reverse Delay and a Chorus already. I do use a fender amp at the church, but When I say they want an ocean, I mean an OCEAN. besides, I can't keep my amp's reverb on all the time, because it is actually an Urban gospel church I play at, so any song In which I'm not going to be doing this, I would most likely be funk wah-ing it up, and therefore i can't have the amp reverb muddiying up my percussive stylings I was just assuming that the holy grail wouldn't work because every time I've heard somebody use one, it sounded very short and tinny. I need a lush, all out HUGE, clean, shimmery sound. Oh, and they're going to pay for it, so price isn't really an issue, but let's keep this within the realms of reason. No Beast Modulator 7000 Rack unit with 7 12 AX47's in it that control's the rate of the earth's revolution and the temperature of the sun...

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I've Got a Reverse Delay and a Chorus already. I do use a fender amp at the church, but When I say they want an ocean, I mean an OCEAN. besides, I can't keep my amp's reverb on all the time, because it is actually an Urban gospel church I play at, so any song In which I'm not going to be doing this, I would most likely be funk wah-ing it up, and therefore i can't have the amp reverb muddiying up my percussive stylings I was just assuming that the holy grail wouldn't work because every time I've heard somebody use one, it sounded very short and tinny. I need a lush, all out HUGE, clean, shimmery sound. Oh, and they're going to pay for it, so price isn't really an issue, but let's keep this within the realms of reason. No Beast Modulator 7000 Rack unit with 7 12 AX47's in it that control's the rate of the earth's revolution and the temperature of the sun...

dude, i feel the same way abuot the grail, i really think you should try out the rv-5
#13
Holy grail + hall reverb setting + knob set at 12 o' clock is pretty much your "playing in a big empty cathedral sound" with ease.
The "short tinny" sound you're descirbing comes from the spring reverb setting, that's how it's supposed to be, surfy and deep, the hall setting just opens up your sound for miles. Plus flerb is a pretty sweet setting.
Maybe the olier grail/holiest grail is worth a look.
I mean, I honestly can't name a better reverb pedal, all the crap that boss and everytone else ships out is just lifeless and uninspiring, despite the HG being a digital pedal its very natural sounding..
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#14
Papersun, I've actually got a Visual sound Liquid Chorus coming on the way for myself. Sorry about your football team. My school team got the crap beaten out of them last friday too. It was bad, so bad that every now and then someone would glace at the scoreboard and say "Damn! when did they score again?"

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I would actually recommend a Visual Sound Liquid Chorus & Echo. The sound you describe sounds a lot like . . . well . . . the sound it makes.

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I agree with this guy. However, that plus a Boss RV-5 would be pretty intence as well, if you have more money to burn.
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#16
You should get the Holy Grail, but you need to be aware of the buzz and hiss it creates even when going through a clean channel.
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I would actually recommend a Visual Sound Liquid Chorus & Echo. The sound you describe sounds a lot like . . . well . . . the sound it makes.

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#19
if you're playing in a church and you've got a cranked reverb pedal, the two decaying sounds are going to melt together and sound like mush. Try a delay pedal, a chorus, flanger, anything to to get thicker more lush signal. Or try two amps
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#22
Buy three or four delay pedals and run them all together? Or just trade in your guitar for a pipe organ?
#24
I solved the problem with an H20 and DD-6. I use the reverse function on the DD-6, set about 600ms of delay repeating once only on the H2O, and I'm set. That Visual Sound is an Awesome pedal I must say.

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#25
The Verbzilla has a hall setting that acts like a cathedral-type reverb. No buzzing either.
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