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#1
Prior to the introduction of MIDI and electronic instruments in the early 80's, the guitar was without a doubt the most popular instrument of what is considered 'popular' cultured music. Virtually every band from the 50's on was a guitar band of some-sort.

You could rarely walk past a pub, bar or club without hearing the blaring sounds of amps and the screeching or strumming of guitars. These days you'll most likely see a DJ or a few rows of pokie machines blaring their 'happy' C# Jingle.

Although Electronic instruments are nothing new, they are still relative babies as far as the world of musical instruments is concerned. Popular cultured music seems to have taken a sharp turn away from guitars and into the electronic age over the last decade. Once acts such as Moby, Chemical Bros etc. were restricted to performing in clubs on saturday nights. Now they fill stadiums.

So, do you think the stance of the guitar as the most popular instrument for 'mainstream' music has been jeopardised by the introduction of electronic instruments?

FTR - I love both electronica and guitar.
#2
I still think it's the most popular, simply because it's convienient.

If anything, though, the resurgance of punk and metal in popular music is making the guitar more popular than it has been for 10 years.
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#3
Electronica suck and if kids like to listen to that crap while playing wii or looking at manga well i dont give a ****
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Electronica suck and if kids like to listen to that crap while playing wii or looking at manga well i dont give a ****





If you actually mean that, then that just blows big style.
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#5
electronica happens to be popular in the clubs or with youth- it has absolutely no staying power...
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electronica happens to be popular in the clubs or with youth- it has absolutely no staying power...



Yeah like Kraftwerk, they have only been going for 30 years now. They will never last.
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electronica happens to be popular in the clubs or with youth- it has absolutely no staying power...


I don't particuarly enjoy electronica.

But dude, that's what they were saying about metal and punk back in the day.
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#10
I agree Madass, I think the reason most people started playing guitar in the first place was because they wanted to be able to play the songs they listen to. It's one of the reasons bands like LZ and the Beatles were so popular. Kids could pick up a guitar and start playing it. But as far as lot of what is considered 'popular' music today, their isn't much inspiration to pick up a guitar there.
#11
No. I personally think the guitar still dominates over MIDI and other electronic instruments. Electronic instruments like the synth have been popular since the 80's, but I think it serves more as an addition.

Just because bands such as Moby etc are getting more exposure, it really doesn't mean they are 'jeopardising' the stance of the guitar.
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#12
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Yeah like Kraftwerk, they have only been going for 30 years now. They will never last.



Kraftwerk were/are renegades. But their popularity was hardly mainstream. Big in Germany yeah, but took time to seep through..
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Kraftwerk were/are renegades. But their popularity was hardly mainstream. Big in Germany yeah, but took time to seep through..



Kraftwerk headline alot of festivals around the world. They are pretty damn famous.
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#14
Famous they are, but not mainstream.. There music has never been classified as mainstream in that sense. I guess I'm talking more about your hiphop, (todays) R&B, dance music etc.
#15
Quote by MadassAlex
I still think it's the most popular, simply because it's convienient.

If anything, though, the resurgance of punk and metal in popular music is making the guitar more popular than it has been for 10 years.


I partly agree with this, it can be a cheap instrument thats easy to get a sound out of, i mean how hard is it to move a powerchord shape around or play an Em chord?

But i also think that it's getting into more of a niche, a large niche though
THe majority of music at the moment of hip/hop etc, a woman talking over a beat having 'attitude' and also the odd indie band - the guitars become VERY popular lately, but less people are using it, or it'd be better to say that theres more popular musicians that get limelight than ever before

In terms of virtuosity though, the guitar can be seen as an 'improper' instrument which pales in comparison to classical instruments such as the violin, i mean i love classical music, but that by no means makes guitar a degrading instrument

It's just the resurgance in guitar pop bands but also teenagers into emo/pop punk bands that have sprung up that have boosted guitar sales

So no, i don't think it's a dying instrument, it's just that there's alot of other stuff going on in the music scene today
#16
i reckon guitars are still pretty mainstrwam, what with the pretty much death of boy-bands and them bein replaced by indie bands
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Electronica suck and if kids like to listen to that crap while playing wii or looking at manga well i dont give a ****


So people aren't allowed to listen to electronica just because you think it sucks?

What a n00b.
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#18
That is true phillip, a lot of 'new age' bands have been springing up around the place, and making a climb on the charts, but it's almost monotony coming from those 'tune down and thrash' type fits. Rarely do you even hear guitar solo's in mainstream these days and the songs seem to be programmed and manufactured rather than pure originality. They are usually also accompanied by a DJ.. Plenty of incredible bands out there that deserve far more recognition than they're getting, but I guess thats just the way the market is.
#19
^ But to be honest the charts have always been like that, the majority of people who buy and listen to music just want a 'bangin' tune or something they can dance to or seem cool with
But hey in the end who cares what other people are doing with instruments, it's not a competition, i'm happy to play what i do whilst some indie bands do what they do etc
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That is true phillip, a lot of 'new age' bands have been springing up around the place, and making a climb on the charts, but it's almost monotony coming from those 'tune down and thrash' type fits. Rarely do you even hear guitar solo's in mainstream these days and the songs seem to be programmed and manufactured rather than pure originality. They are usually also accompanied by a DJ.. Plenty of incredible bands out there that deserve far more recognition than they're getting, but I guess thats just the way the market is.


I totally agreed with you. That one of the main reasons I don't like mainstream music; those guys NEVER SOLO. Seriously, there are basically three good bands on the radio: Avenged Sevenfold, Velvet Revolver, and Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Know what they have in common? SOLOS!
#22
I'd say the exact opposite. Emo-punk/indie bands are ruling the popular music scene right now.
#23
You really shouldn't be asking here, electronica is just noise and hard rock singing about getting wasted is universally brilliant.
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Philip - Well, I'd say once upon a time what was considered mainstream music; ie Beatles, Stones, - was far more appealing to me at least than what mainstream is today, ie Justin Timberlake and American Idol - and certainly had more purpose for the guitar than a sampled riff. Yeah, there were always outfits like the Supremes and the Sinatra's of the business who were more about brass than any other one specific instrument, but I guess what I'm getting at is 'popular music' seems to have gone down hill (at least to guitar sympathisers) drastically.
#25
Not in the US. If anything, guitar-based music has been getting popular again over the past few years. Seriously, a lot of my jock friends play guitar and stuff. I never thought that would happen.
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#27
Go back to the 80's, pop music was completely synth.

And don't bring up hair metal using guitars, because it's ****ty descendant, metalcore, is huge.
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#28
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You sound like one of those "good music ended in the 70's" guys.


Good mainstream, yeah.. And more like the 80's. Everynow and then you get a diamond in the rough these days, but whats now considered good is a step down from what once was..

Take a band like Wolfmother, now they're a fairly popular 'mainstream' guitar band, but its hard to say they aren't recycling material already done in the 70's.

As I stated in my initial post I am a fan of both electro and guitar, but I think it would be hard for any musician who listens to both mainstream, underground and all in between to say that quality of what is constantly bombarded on radio/tv has improved drastically over the years.

Anyway, you didn't really answer the question.
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I totally agreed with you. That one of the main reasons I don't like mainstream music; those guys NEVER SOLO. Seriously, there are basically three good bands on the radio: Avenged Sevenfold, Velvet Revolver, and Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Know what they have in common? SOLOS!


meh, ive never had much intrest in guitar solos, unless they're done tastefully, which they almost never are. im more interested in a good melody rather than a guitar solo.
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Philip - Well, I'd say once upon a time what was considered mainstream music; ie Beatles, Stones, - was far more appealing to me at least than what mainstream is today, ie Justin Timberlake and American Idol - and certainly had more purpose for the guitar than a sampled riff. Yeah, there were always outfits like the Supremes and the Sinatra's of the business who were more about brass than any other one specific instrument, but I guess what I'm getting at is 'popular music' seems to have gone down hill (at least to guitar sympathisers) drastically.


Yep, i think it's a sign of the fast generation, everyone wants every delivered to them quickly, although i'm not saying creating electronica is easy, to patch together samples isn't as hard as learning and mastering a musical instrument, although as i said, i'm not claiming electro etc is easy
#32
I think the guitar is actually gaining appeal, what with guitar hero and all. I actually know a guy who got into real guitar through Guitar Hero.
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#33
I don't really think guitar is declining in popularity. Actually being skilled at guitar certainly isn't as important as it was in the late 60's, 70's, and 80's, but there are still plenty of pop bands bashing away power and open chords and noodling away at simple melodies.
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#34
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I hope electronic music becomes more popular. Guitars are boring now, unless you do something creative with the effects...


yeah he pretty much hit the nail on the head
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#35
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Electronica suck and if kids like to listen to that crap while playing wii or looking at manga well i dont give a ****
Wow...I can't think of why Electronica (an incredibley vague term for that music) would be crap in comparison to almost any electric guitar-centered genre.
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I think the guitar is actually gaining appeal, what with guitar hero and all. I actually know a guy who got into real guitar through Guitar Hero.

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#39
Yep. To me at least. I used to like playing guitar, but I got into house and trance and electronic music, and I haven't looked back. I bought a synthesizer too.
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Quote by strong_wizard
electronica happens to be popular in the clubs or with youth- it has absolutely no staying power...


er, what? i'd say most electronica is more ambient based, and most dance music played in clubs isnt electronica.

Yep, i think it's a sign of the fast generation, everyone wants every delivered to them quickly, although i'm not saying creating electronica is easy, to patch together samples isn't as hard as learning and mastering a musical instrument, although as i said, i'm not claiming electro etc is easy


this is clearly nonsense. i mean, look at something like 'the grey album' for a prime example. every single note on that record is a sample. but its incredible, and the talent and effort that it takes to create something that good is pretty much self evident. if you can't appreciate it, i worry for you.
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