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Heyy UG.

Today in English, we had a SAC (a big essay test).
And it was an essay on Romeo and Juliet. We were passed a sheet with a random question. The question was:

"Ultimately Romeo and Juliet's deaths were unavoidable...explain."

Now cause we've also got tomorrow to finish it off, tonight I'm brainstorming more ideas to include into the essay. So far i've included: How the family feud has made them do so many drastic things, how Friar Lawerence let them marry instead of just saying no and let them take their time.

After that...I'm pretty much stumped.
Can anyone else help me on ideas to go on about please?
Cheers.
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Because the prologue at the beginning said it was unavoidable, and you can't cheat fate.


How do we know that fate is 100% true?
If I punch my brother in the face now, can I just say to him "It was fate...sorry"?
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Their love. The failure of others around them. Been a while since I read it so not sure if those will be good enough.
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How do we know that fate is 100% true?
If I punch my brother in the face now, can I just say to him "It was fate...sorry"?


Because you are not living in a shakesperean play.

Argue it if you want but those are the answers the teacher wants to hear, whether you believe in fate or not.
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Because you are not living in a shakesperean play.

Argue it if you want but those are the answers the teacher wants to hear, whether you believe in fate or not.


Ahhh, well done sir. Thanks for the ideas!
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How do we know that fate is 100% true?
If I punch my brother in the face now, can I just say to him "It was fate...sorry"?


Pretty close minded to only think from that point of view. You could easily argue it was fate. You havn't punched him yet.

Edit2: You could also argue their deaths were unavoidable because they are mortal.
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Because it was fate.

Man, you need to learn R+J more, that's the easiest thing to understand in the book.
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Ok so far. Thanks for the great ideas.
I've structured my essay into:

Intro/Contention
Paragraph 1- Montague's/ Capulet's Feud
Paragraph 2- Friar Lawrence
Paragraph 3- Fate
Conclusion.

I'm pretty much set on the Montague's and Capulet's + Fate, but for the Friar all i've got for writing is : He set them up and he made her drink the potion etc.

Can anyone help me out on him please?
Thanks again
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Friar's role was more of a father figure than R+J's parents.
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Friar's role was more of a father figure than R+J's parents.


Much like the nurse to Juliet?
Also so he was influential to them?
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Much like the nurse to Juliet?
Also so he was influential to them?

Yeah. And because of the difficulty of R+J's relationship, it hindered with Nurse and Friars' roles as serving the family and the church as helping R+J get together was actually opposing their families. Plus the marriage wasn't legitimate which was against the church and Friar's profession.
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Yeah. And because of the difficulty of R+J's relationship, it hindered with Nurse and Friars' roles as serving the family and the church as helping R+J get together was actually opposing their families. Plus the marriage wasn't legitimate which was against the church and Friar's profession.


Thanks so much mate. (And to everyone else who helped).
I'm set for this essay. Cheers!
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No problem

I studied R+J last year, got me an A* at English Lit.

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well you see, the play is like a whirlpool, and in the center is the enevidable death of romeo and juliet. many random "chance" happenings contribute to this, and anything that has the potential to prevent this is distroyed. for example, the letter from friar lawrence is never delivered to romeo. and if paris had of stopped romeo, then it would have saved enough time for juliet to wake up or friar lawrence to find him. the chance things are romeo going to the party, tybalt accidentally stabbing mercutio (resulting in romeo's banishment) and a few otherthings. hope that helps you out. cheers.
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so "fate" is pretty much a violent force in this book, that distroys anything that stands in it's way. like so.


fate-->--->--->---->----paris(DIE B*TCH!)--->----->----->--romeo and juliets death

the obvious reasoning for it's determination to kill them both is to teach the montague's and capulets that their fighting is stupid "hateing to love" as romeo puts it.
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so "fate" is pretty much a violent force in this book, that distroys anything that stands in it's way. like so.


fate-->--->--->---->----paris(DIE B*TCH!)--->----->----->--romeo and juliets death

the obvious reasoning for it's determination to kill them both is to teach the montague's and capulets that their fighting is stupid "hateing to love" as romeo puts it.
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You're totally right there spiderfizz. Twice. Post reply button only needs to be pressed once Don't worry.

Those kind of analogies, "Whirlpool" etc would be good for a conclusion.
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R+J as a SAC? Dude, I did that in year 9 and it was really easy to understand...but I'm currently in Macbeth mode so I won't be of much help, sorry. But I guess you could add that by keeping their relationship a secret they contributed to their demise. Relationships built on lies don't work out.
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Romeo and Juliets deaths were unavoidable because the play would have had a really sh*tty cop-out ending without it, and really not been much of a tragedy.
Also, it could be said to be unavoidable because they were a couple of over-sexed, under-matured eyeties with more money than sense, but only if your english teacher is a weird BNP/communist hybrid.
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I can't thank everyone enough, your help was awesome!
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#25
I've read a few essays around similar topics.
The two main things i saw
1# Blame society
2# Blame the family.
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