#1
I am going to buy a second guitar, which will be mostly in CGCFAD tuning. Does it matter how long the neck is? I was looking at a few guitars, some of which have 22 frets instead of 24. Their scale length was also different.

Does it matter?
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#2
typically when tuning down to say B, it helps to have a stronger neck to support the heavier guaged strings. baritone guitars are designed liked this, however i know theres various guitarists who use a standard guitar for dropped tunings- breaking benjamin, chevelle, nickelback
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#3
i would say no, as i have both currently in that tuning. I would say it would be down to parts, as to how well it stays in tune. but thats just me, someone may think differently.
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#4
I'd have thought you'd have been alright dropping to C, but any lower might put a lot of strain on the neck if you're using heavier strings. Basically anodetodrivebys has it spot on.
#6
22 frets is generally 24-3/4" scale, and 24 is usually 25-1/2". not a huge difference, but you'll probly want AT LEAST 52 guage strings. if you get one with a 24-3/4" scale, mabey try for 54s, but it shouldnt really matter that much.

[edit]
forgot to say youll also have to make truss rod and bridge adjustments, but that goes without saying i guess...
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So that means the 25-1/2" would handle the string tension better, am I correct?
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muchos gracias hombre, I shall now scrap the 22 fret guitars off my "potential new guitars" list
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well, just scratch the length, because 22 frets can still possibly be a longer scale...
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#11
number of frets won't matter, but scale length will. if you're down-tuning, the longer the better. preferably 25.5" at least. EDIT: ^ yeah, plenty of 22 fret guitars are 25.5".
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#12
The scale length makes a difference. On longer scales, the same string would be stretched more so there would be more tension in the string. So for down-tuning, longer scales are better as you dont have to shift to thicker strings for the lower tunings.
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#13
No you want something like 27" scale length for really low stuff(like A tuning) for B and standard, 25" or 24 3/4 is fine. the number of frets DO NOT DETERMINE THE SCALE LENGTH! the difference, fret wise, between the ones are that longer scale lengths have frets that are farther apart. There are guitars with a scale length of 25 and 27 that both have 24 frets or both have 22 frets. You need to look at scale length not the number of frets
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No you want something like 27" scale length for really low stuff(like A tuning) for B and standard, 25" or 24 3/4 is fine. the number of frets DO NOT DETERMINE THE SCALE LENGTH! the difference, fret wise, between the ones are that longer scale lengths have frets that are farther apart. There are guitars with a scale length of 25 and 27 that both have 24 frets or both have 22 frets. You need to look at scale length not the number of frets

To elaborate, if the scale size is the same, a 22fret guitar will have marginially larger frets AFTER the 12th fret compared to a 24fret guitar.
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To elaborate, if the scale size is the same, a 22fret guitar will have marginially larger frets AFTER the 12th fret compared to a 24fret guitar.


why would that be?
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why would that be?


I would assume because there are fewer frets on a a neck of the same length?

I just realised that all the Ibanez 22 fret guitars have a 25.5 length neck, which is the same as most 24 fret guitars. But I will pay good attention to neck lengths, since I dont want me strings to get flabby with lower tunings. (even with proper string gauge)
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To elaborate, if the scale size is the same, a 22fret guitar will have marginially larger frets AFTER the 12th fret compared to a 24fret guitar.


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(EDIT: to dag) unless my brain's having a major malfunction, though, that doesn't make sense. The scale length is exactly what it says- the length of string required for the scale (or double that, or whatever way it's worked out; nomatter, it's the same principle)... i don't see how number of frets would affect that.
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to all the guys above me, this is because the 12th fret must always be positioned at the exact middle of the scale length. So assuming the same scale length, the frets below 12 will always have the same size distribution(well in ideal cases, fanned frets excluded of course) whereas after the 12th fret, there will be more frets cramped into the same space.

Of course, this actually also means the neck must be the same size. You could move the bridge furthur from the neck to increase scale length, but then again the 12th fret would move along with the increase in scale length.

So to Cheames, I know my ****. 12th fret must always be at the half way point. This can usually be judged by where the first harmonic would be since by the laws of physics, it must be exactly half way between the moving parts of the string.

EDIT: change scale length to neck length for my post above. Sorry, but a litte distracted.
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that still doesn't make sense.

fret 23 and 24 will be closer together, obviously, but, say, fret 21 on both a 22- and 24-fret guitar will be the same size, assuming the same scale length, surely?
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fret 23 and 24 will be closer together, obviously, but, say, fret 21 on both a 22- and 24-fret guitar will be the same size, assuming the same scale length, surely?

I'll back you up on that. The only difference is that the neck pickup might be moved further, to accommodate the 24th fret.

Accordin' to StewMac's Fret Calculator...
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#22
yep. EDIT: ah sweet, you have the fret calculator too (that wasn't there when i entered this post!)- i guess that backs me up.

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that still doesn't make sense.

fret 23 and 24 will be closer together, obviously, but, say, fret 21 on both a 22- and 24-fret guitar will be the same size, assuming the same scale length, surely?

well yes that is true in most cases(fanned frets exempt)

I think because I'm really distracted I got my neck scale and scale length interchanged. I meant to say similiar neck size.

So sorry if I sounded obnoxious, but human error:P
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#24
no problem, you had me confused for a while too!



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