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#1
If metallica erased their previous history (Kill em all to ajfa) , and released their debut album in 1991 (The black album/ self titled), would you rate the album differently and hold it up in a different light.

(And would you also think they would have a huge tie in with the "alternative" explosion at the time...since that album sounds pretty grungy to me imo.)
Last edited by BerryTree at Sep 22, 2007,
#2
They would be praised to the skies. My opinion still would be the same though, since I've always liked Black album.
#3
wouldnt be the same
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#4
I think every album of theirs is brilliant, apart from St Anger. I can't really listen to it. I'm not jumping on the band wagon, even if it was seen as a great album in "nu-metal" or some crap I'd still have the same opinion.

The fact they didn't play any live all tour from that album was brilliant imho.
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If metallica erased their previous history (Kill em all to ajfa) , and released their debut album in 1991 (The black album/ self titled), would you rate the album differently and hold it up in a different light.

(And would you also think they would have a huge tie in with the "alternative" explosion at the time...since that album sounds pretty grungy to me imo.)

Yea, I'd hate them pretty much.
Black Album is okay. But Post-Black Album is just ****e.
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#11
Thats an interesting question. If metallica wouldn't be there in the 80's then maybe Slayer, or Anthrax would be the Biggest bands out there. Then Metallica would be be different ... no mullets probably, no monsters of rock , and maybe Dave mustaine would be in the band with CLIFF . But there's endless possibilities to what might of happened.
#13
so basically what your saying is:

"what if a band had never made any of its best, most defining albums?"

kinda like asking what AC/DC would be like if they had formed in 1980 aint it...

you phail at threadmaking.

the only good thing that i can think of coming from metallica not having existed in the 80s, is that Dave Mustaine wouldn't be able to bitch so much about how kirk "stole" his job..
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Ahh I was never a big fan of it for some reason.


Okay imagine a world without Ride The Lightning, or Master Of Puppets.

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so basically what your saying is:

"what if a band had never made any of its best, most defining albums?"

kinda like asking what AC/DC would be like if they had formed in 1980 aint it...


you phail at threadmaking.


having that as their first album could distort ones opinion about the band in general, like guns n roses with appetite. Imagine if they started as a thrash band like metallica or megadeth...they would have some different opinions about then after that album....however it was their first album.
Last edited by BerryTree at Sep 22, 2007,
#17
well, its not the same..

but i'll probably still listen to Nothing Else Matters
best song of Black Album IMO.
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Okay imagine a world without Ride The Lightning, or Master Of Puppets.

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which of the 2 you like better?
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#19
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having that as their first album could distort ones opinion about the band in general, like guns n roses with appetite. Imagine if they started as a thrash band like metallica or megadeth...they would have some different opinions about then after that album....however it was their first album.


serioudly dude, what the **** are you talking about?
#20
i dont think theyd b seem as the big band they are today...
infact im nt sure that they wudnt have split, cz i reckon alot of theyre albums since m.o.p sell well cz its metallica
gettin rid of the effect the name has would have made the band alot less succesful an lars wd have proly jus buggered off n started a solo project
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Yea, I'd hate them pretty much.
Black Album is okay. But Post-Black Album is just ****e.


What? well thats your opinion, pre black album was the best, and the black album was pretty good after that it got worse
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Yea, I'd hate them pretty much.
Black Album is okay. But Post-Black Album is just ****e.

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What? well thats your opinion, pre black album was the best, and the black album was pretty good after that it got worse


Thats exactly what he said dude....
#24
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so basically what your saying is:

"what if a band had never made any of its best, most defining albums?"

kinda like asking what AC/DC would be like if they had formed in 1980 aint it...

you phail at threadmaking.

the only good thing that i can think of coming from metallica not having existed in the 80s, is that Dave Mustaine wouldn't be able to bitch so much about how kirk "stole" his job..



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i dont think theyd b seem as the big band they are today...
infact im nt sure that they wudnt have split, cz i reckon alot of theyre albums since m.o.p sell well cz its metallica
gettin rid of the effect the name has would have made the band alot less succesful an lars wd have proly jus buggered off n started a solo project


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are you morally against correct spelling?


yes


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#29
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so basically what your saying is:

"what if a band had never made any of its best, most defining albums?"

kinda like asking what AC/DC would be like if they had formed in 1980 aint it...

you phail at threadmaking.

the only good thing that i can think of coming from metallica not having existed in the 80s, is that Dave Mustaine wouldn't be able to bitch so much about how kirk "stole" his job..


imo Metallica was a huge influence, so if there was no Metallica Dave Mustaine wouldn't be bitching about kirk "stealing his job" but there might not even be a Megadeth.-- or at least it would be radically different; I think a lot of early Megadeth stuff was based on Mustaine's anger towards Metallica (look at Mechanix)
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imo Metallica was a huge influence, so if there was no Metallica Dave Mustaine wouldn't be bitching about kirk "stealing his job" but there might not even be a Megadeth.-- or at least it would be radically different; I think a lot of early Megadeth stuff was based on Mustaine's anger towards Metallica (look at Mechanix)


Of course it was, but he had good reason to be mad. Yes Dave was a drunk and ****, but the same as all the rest of metallica. He got booted out on his ass and replaced like he was nothing. Then he had to go threw YEARS of torment from metallica fans.

Metallica WAS influential. no doubt about it, and i respect metallica for influencing metal. But that doesnt stop me from say that Megadeth had more talent in 1 guitarist than Metallica had combined. Go look up Marty Friedman, that man is amazing.

And Megadeth would indeed be dramatically different.
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Metallica is very influential. It would effect Dave Mustaine, which would effect Megadeth, which would then effect Marty Friedman.

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Of course it was, but he had good reason to be mad. Yes Dave was a drunk and ****, but the same as all the rest of metallica. He got booted out on his ass and replaced like he was nothing. Then he had to go threw YEARS of torment from metallica fans.

Metallica WAS influential. no doubt about it, and i respect metallica for influencing metal. But that doesnt stop me from say that Megadeth had more talent in 1 guitarist than Metallica had combined. Go look up Marty Friedman, that man is amazing.

And Megadeth would indeed be dramatically different.


exactly.

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so would u guys feel different about the black album if it was their first album not from a metal standpoint...but just as a rock album.


of course. look at their first 4 albums; **legendary** then black album, which is good, but imo not as good as their first four, also black album marks the turning point of Metallica. pretty much everything released after that was dramatically changed (and imo ****y---> with the exception of Disc 2 of Garage Inc)

w/o the previous four albums they wouldn't have a reputation and therefore would not be as big in the thrash metal scene..
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exactly.


of course. look at their first 4 albums; **legendary** then black album, which is good, but imo not as good as their first four, also black album marks the turning point of Metallica. pretty much everything released after that was dramatically changed (and imo ****y---> with the exception of Disc 2 of Garage Inc)

w/o the previous four albums they wouldn't have a reputation and therefore would not be as big in the thrash metal scene..


but that album had the "mainstream" and "broad" appeal that the others didnt...imo regardless if they were new or not, the song enter sandman could've catapulted any band into great heights.
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If they hadn't released their pre Black album material, of course we'd all have a different perspective on the band. Though I'd still listen to them, seeing as songs like Fuel and Enter Sandman got me into the band >>
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but that album had the "mainstream" and "broad" appeal that the others didnt...imo regardless if they were new or not, the song enter sandman could've catapulted any band into great heights.

yes but not so much in the thrash metal scene. as I've said.

it sold way more copies than any other Metallica album, and it was a good album, but the first four influenced so many more bands then black album alone that IF nothing before black album existed they wouldn't really be a thrash metal band... more "just metal" ---> black album was a sellout imo
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#38
i wouldve thought of them as a one album wonder if they did that. everything after black album was terrible, but then id think they were starting a comeback with St. Anger. honestly, i dont know why everyone hates that album so much. it wasnt that bad.
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i wouldve thought of them as a one album wonder if they did that. everything after black album was terrible, but then id think they were starting a comeback with St. Anger. honestly, i dont know why everyone hates that album so much. it wasnt that bad.


St. Anger had a Nu-Metal-esque sound to it. Most metallica/thrash purists HATED Nu-metal because its simplicity. They got all hot and bothered because its not what the fans were waiting for. It was more for the band. At the time, metallica was going downhill and people believed that they had some of theyre old material still in them. Master of puppets and And justice for all kinda stuff.

Basically, it was like a slap in the face to Die hard Metallica fans.
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i wouldve thought of them as a one album wonder if they did that. everything after black album was terrible, but then id think they were starting a comeback with St. Anger.

my thoughts exactly
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honestly, i dont know why everyone hates that album so much. it wasnt that bad.

yes it was.
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