#1
OK im wanting a tube amp so bad, but i need to find something that is good for metal and doesnt need to be cranked to sound decent. i was going to get a peavey valveking head as they are cheap and have lots of great reviews, plus tonnes of people have told me they are great amps. although someone i know has told me he plays his fine at bedroom volumes, ive seen a number of posts online saying they dont sound good until you crank em up to like 3.5/4

so if this is the case can someone recommend me a good tube head that isnt too expensive (I have a £500 ($1000) budget), has a great metal tone, and works well at bedroom volumes?
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#2
Well the valveking isnt the best choice for metal. It doesnt have enough gain or the voicing for it. Also, most tube amps aimed for metal will sound good at low volumes because most of the gain is preamp gain and not gain from pushing the poweramp.
#3
^ true. for example, a 5150 has an incredibly high amount of gain in the preamp.
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I don't know a lot about kranks, but this little half-stack looks badass
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Line 6 Pod and one of thoughs Atomic Tube Power Amp/Speaker Thingums.Get the lowest watt one you can get.
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i've looked at that and thought the lowest was like 120w...can't remember.
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#7
I just dont see how you guy dont think the valveking can't do metal its actually really starting to bug me lol.. If I had a decent way to record I would prove it!

Valvekings are cool, mine does great, DO NOT buy the matching cab however cus with that it does sound crap.. I got my valveking as part of a very good deal on ebay for 300quid with the cab! anyways I already had my marshall 2x12, when I got the amp I first hooked it up with the matching cab and it was okay.. just sounded a bit cheap.. but when I hooked it up to my marshall 1936 cab the thing REALLY came alive! im telling you the difference is HUGE it makes it sound like a different amp! and it sounds just fine for metal and its got plenty of gain, I mean my style uses a lot of legato rather than picking everything so I NEED a good amount of gain!

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#8
A good idea might be to buy a tube head that is good for metal and get a weber attenuator that uses a speaker motor. It allows you to crank your amp all the way and then actually lower the overall volume of hte amp without sacrificing your tone and gain
#10
Most amps with alot of preamp gain will do fine.
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#11
It seems like most people who start threads like this are wanting a tube amp just because they're tube amps, not necessarily because of their tones...

If it's a bedroom amp, why not just get a preamp (rocktron prophesy, Carvin Tone Navigator, Pod, Pod XTLive) then use headphones, later invest in a power section/amp. Or just get a Roland Microcube or 15watt vox.

If you're the only one thats going to be hearing it, why go all out when you can get the basic function for much less.
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#12
So you play metal in your bedroom, but you want a halfstack? That might be an issue. I'd wait until you need more power, i.e., when you're gigging, to get a tube amp that'll do metal well.
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It seems like most people who start threads like this are wanting a tube amp just because they're tube amps, not necessarily because of their tones...

If it's a bedroom amp, why not just get a preamp (rocktron prophesy, Carvin Tone Navigator, Pod, Pod XTLive) then use headphones, later invest in a power section/amp. Or just get a Roland Microcube or 15watt vox.

If you're the only one thats going to be hearing it, why go all out when you can get the basic function for much less.

so your saying if your the only person who can hear your tone its ok if it sucks ass?

I want a good tube tone, i dont give a crap who hears it, im the one playing the guitar so obviously i want it to sound good

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So you play metal in your bedroom, but you want a halfstack? That might be an issue. I'd wait until you need more power, i.e., when you're gigging, to get a tube amp that'll do metal well.

why would that be an issue? i have a randall rg100es 120watt amp head atm and run it though my randall warhead speakers, thats essentially a halfstack but with a 2x12 instead of 4x12

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I just dont see how you guy dont think the valveking can't do metal its actually really starting to bug me lol

+1 dude, check this clip out if you dont think the VK can do metal without an overdrive pedal

http://youtube.com/watch?v=j2LJIQvwvKw
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#18
hey i just found out the valveking has a texture knob on the back, from what i gather it lets you run the amp at lower volumes whilst still keeping a good tone, is this right?
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#19
any tube amp with a master-control will do fine for you!!!
than you dont need a weber attenuator at all!

ah i forgot...go for the ENGL SCREAMER!!!!!!!!!
#20
well the valveking doesnt have one, it only has seperate volume controls for each channel
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#21
VK have a master volume. On the lead channel the distortion is controlled by the "Gain" know and the master volume is just labeled "Volume." It's a Peavey thing. The "Texture" knob (Class A- Class A/B) does cut the power to about 20% or less. I play mine at "loud bedroom volume" and it's not bad, but a smaller tube combo might be better. The Peavey Transtubes with a headphone out jack might do the job for you with the right distortion pedal.
#23
No, it's not an attenuator. I wish. It's more like running a set of Yellow Jackets.
#25
ENGL screamer would be great but it's out of your price range. if you already have a cab check out the ENGL Thunder head. If you are planning to buy a cab as well then forget it and buy an ENGL Screamer COMBO or else look for used Mesa's/Peavey 5150's on ebay


Also that VK clip sounds horrid, but the VK can do 80's metal fine
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#26
I'm still waiting on the Windsor combo. Peavey isn't too great about meeting release schedules, so I won't hold my breath.
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Also that VK clip sounds horrid, but the VK can do 80's metal fine


WeLL that clip does not to the amp justice! to start off the person playing is an amature so as well as not so great playing guys using a kiddie's guitar (that looks like its total stock) and might not have tha amp EQ'd well either.. PLUS that dude is using one of those HORRID matching valveking cabs!! and they are just THE WORST!!! ...soooo bad those bloody cabs!!!

...having sed that without pro recordings you cant get a real good impression of any amp really..
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#29
^ er yeah.. I know
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#30
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^ er yeah.. I know


EERRR? lol.. well my point (which I managed to foget to actually get to!) was that the valveking can do all kinds of metal not just 80's .. Trivium, Avenged sevenfold, machine head.. they're all within reach..
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#31
modern metal definitely requiresa pedal, and even then you may as well look at other amps
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#32
I post this a LOT

I use a simple TUBESCREAMER as a "poor man's attenuator" - turn the amp wide open - turn the level control on the TS way down - and Voila' - IT WORKS - might suck a wee bit of tone but I get fully cranked tubes at low volumes in the house and the old Lady ain't bitchin' as much

Now granted my tube amps are 5-watt and 20-watters but that shouldn't matter...
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modern metal definitely requiresa pedal, and even then you may as well look at other amps


each to their own I guess, only thing I can see a pedal doing is make the amp sound out of control, grainy with gain and mushy from distortion but its just personal taste I guess
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#34
most tube amps ain't great metal amps without some help. I use a SS amp for metal and cleans... tube amps for the rest.
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