#1
Sometimes I have these lyrics in my head but when I write them down they sometimes seem cheesy. Now should I keep writing and hope they get better or just give up?
#3
Me too. Whatever I write seems like stuff from sh*tty generic wanna-be rock songs for some reason. I guess I'm not very poetic.

I'd like to hear some suggestions too!
#4
Haha, yep. Just keep writing. As long as you don't have writer's block or anything all you have to do is to write and write and write. And try to use your imaginary as much as possible.
#5
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i second that, keep writing and writing and writing, that's how people get good at what they do, no one is born with the ability to create something good (with a few expections) it just takes a lot of practice
#6
If you're not satisfied with your lyrics then you should try attacking them from a different angle, but don't stop writing! I know the feeling of getting lyrics on paper and feeling that they seem childish. I would advise you to pull out all the stops and try everything you can that will properly convey what you're trying to say without just coming out and saying it directly. As the saying goes, "Show me, don't tell me". It doesn't seem cheesy as long as you make your readers/audience feel involved, so give them the same feeling or vision that you're experiencing.

It can also sometimes help to review some other songwriters and poets and- without imitating them- see if you can pull some technique from them and apply it to your writing with your own style. Above all else what you're looking for is to put some character into your writing so that the words don't just sit on the page.

I would say more about literary devices and freewriting and all that (freewriting is my best friend ) but, there are many threads and stickies here to help probably more than I can.
#7
thanks all im gonna keep writing i guesse oh and should i write my guitar parts before the lyrivs because i've been doing it the other way around
#8
Do it whatever way round you think works best, try writing the best song you can. One you think sounds reall good at that moment. Then try living with it for a couple of days and if you think it sounds a bit cheesy or whatever try improving it or writing a different song altogether. You just need to keep practising and improving your wordplay, melody, metaphors, symbolism and everything else that goes with it. Read books and poetry and you might find inspiration in something someone else has written. Everything is open to interpretation, just use whatever you got in you to make something you're proud of.
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#9
there's always room for the cliche in the world, MTV pays good anyway.

Oh, and theres no such thing as being "poetic" sorry to break it to ya. You can be sad, be happy, be angry, but you cannot be poetic.
#10
Don't stop writing. Everything I wrote at first was cheesy as hell and sounded like a Dr. Suess rhyme.

My advice; read as much as you can - whether that be books, poems, magazines - whatever. Read poems on here, find out what people like, and pick up points from other peoples techniques, then use them to write your own stuff. it'll suck at first - it always does, but eventually you'll hit it, and it just flows from there.

And another thing... something that only really made sense to me lately... like everyone says. do not write for the sake of writing. this is where you will get frustrated and end up hating yourself. if you start writing and it flows, don't stop. write everything you can, whether it seems to have a point or not. then once you are finished, read what you have written and find a point. if some of the stuff you have written doesn't make sense as far as your chosen theme goes, then change it.

remember, the more abstract and open to intepretation your work is, the better. don't worry about paiting a clear picture for everyone, let them discover the meaning themselves.
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#11
"remember, the more abstract and open to intepretation your work is, the better. don't worry about paiting a clear picture for everyone, let them discover the meaning themselves."

No. paint a clear picture for yourself. the more abstract your work is the more UG will like it but your greater audience will shun it and think of it as words flung on a page in a pretentious way. If there is not a specific experience being described in some discernible way, you dont have a piece. Thats a point that I only learned somewhat recently. That said, Mr. 911 (hehe) is correct, steal ideas and techniques from other people. Theft and revision are the essence of writing.
#12
lawl at Mr. 911. Oh how I regret every adding that after snowblind.

But by painting a clear picture (or not, rather) i meant don't make every sentence completely closed to intepretation... eg. he opened the brown door into the kitchen...
i mean, you can't really interpret that any other way. i guess what i meant was say what your point in a creative way, so that people have to think a bit to get full meaning out of it.
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#13
I have that problem sometimes as well. What I find helps is to look at songs by some of your favourite artists and just read the lyrics to yourself. A lot of the time it might be pretty cheesy/simple/whatever. The early Beatles songs are a great example of this. They sound fantastic but there isn't much lyrical depth to songs like "Love Me Do" or "I Wanna Hold Your Hand". It just helps you realize that maybe your lyrics aren't as cheesy as you think, or something to that effect.
#14
it comes with time... when I first started trying to write lyrics they were cheesy as hell because I think I was trying to hard to write "lyrics"...

I just relaxed after a while and let my imagination go and nowadays I have to work hard to try to make my lyrics make sense to the general reader! Just don't try as hard, sit down on Notepad or Word and just write something really messed up or imaginative!

Also: I think a really helpful tip is to start writing comical lyrics. Not like stupidly comical, as in parodies or whatever, but just slightly tongue-in-cheek lyrics, and then to move onto more serious issues once you have mastered that..
#15
I love tongue in cheek.

everyone here is right, you know why? cos everyone here is different. with experience, you'llfind your own way and hopefully you'll find your place.
#17
chessy lyrics problems


You're only moving the metaphorical queen to D6 when you should be moving it to E5. Just a thought.
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You're only moving the metaphorical queen to D6 when you should be moving it to E5. Just a thought.


#19
I just wrote a song and its so terribly cheesy =( I know your pain.
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#20
Read some poetry or lyrics of non-linear artists, like Jim Morrison,Syd Barrett, or Lou Reed.
#21
Modest Mouse.

Problem solved.
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#22
Listen to The Who, that might help. Some of their lyrics are pretty cheesy but very good!
#23
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#24
I found that if you put it away for a while and work on something else, usually until you forget most of it, and then take it out again, you can look at it from a whole new angle.
You can change words or rhymes that you used to be sentimental about. this usully helps for me.
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#28
The best advice that i can give is to use a lot of different writing techniques.
These include things such as metaphors, similies and Imagery. Perhaps planning what you want to write. Like what story or message do you want to convey and what will be in each verse. Listen to some Bruce Springsteen as he is one of the best songwriters.
#30
im gonna be contrary to everyone here and say STOP WRITING NOW!! if u learn to keep writing even when u dont like it then ull do that for everything!! whenever im caught on a line that sounds like some desperate emo kid trying to get his ex back i stop bc thats not the image that i want. think about it, do u want to be the emo kid??
but seriously end the cheesiness while u still can
#31
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chess

i know that, relevance???

i'm just more confused now?
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#32
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im gonna be contrary to everyone here and say STOP WRITING NOW!! if u learn to keep writing even when u dont like it then ull do that for everything!! whenever im caught on a line that sounds like some desperate emo kid trying to get his ex back i stop bc thats not the image that i want. think about it, do u want to be the emo kid??
but seriously end the cheesiness while u still can


im not getting were being an emo kid is bad thats just a thick headed statement
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#33
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Originally Posted by bikersbasin
chess

i know that, relevance???

i'm just more confused now?


re-read the thread title and see if that helps...
#34
Try to change your style. Try to get inspiration from someplace else. Write a story and turn it into a song (it's worked for me before). Just whatever you do don't stop writing
#35
lol why give up?? keep writing man!

i know what you mean though, in a way. i mostly write at night, i guess bc i have nothing else to do so i focus in on that. haha. but anyway, i could wake up the next morning and read over the lyrics and think "what was i doing?!" ha. =]

but dont stop writting dude. i've been writing for 3 years now, and the first year sucked! haha. but thats just the process in which you take to learn how to do things well. unless your 'gifted' and could play 4 intruments on your 3rd birthday lol.

but i got better and so will you.
#36
There's nothing wrong with writing cheesy lyrics as long as they are not CLICHE. If you listen to various R&B, they all contain the same message. Don't fall into mainstream messages like most 'boy band rock bands' and R&B artists. As Daron Malakian once said, "If you aren't going to bring something new to the table, then what's the point of creating?"
#37
i find that if you look at lyrics to a lot of popular bands out of context, they actually seem pretty cheesy, but then when they are in the context of the song they don't sound as cheesy. So your lyrics might not be as cheesy as you think.
#38
Write, write and write some more... don't throw any away, keep them and when you come to the phase of writing some mature, pretty good stuff you can add from your old bits, or improve your old songs.... I started out with some **** stuff but now I'm writing lots and improving on the **** stuff and it can become better than my new songs
#39
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There's nothing wrong with writing cheesy lyrics as long as they are not CLICHE. If you listen to various R&B, they all contain the same message. Don't fall into mainstream messages like most 'boy band rock bands' and R&B artists. As Daron Malakian once said, "If you aren't going to bring something new to the table, then what's the point of creating?"



You can say that but then again right now in the music industry we can see most female up and comers are falling into a certain category, perky pop or 'Amy Winehouse Followers'

Look at Adele, Beth Rowley, Duffy... they all follow Amy and even though they are good singers, they're nothing new... but the only reason they're popular with their vocal stylings is because that is what is in demand...

We may like artists that don't follow this pattern, but usually it's because they were there before that trend

Not that I don't agree with you, but success is a lot about supply and demand