#1
Hi, I'd like to know which scale(s) can be used to give a song or solo a medieval type of feeling, like some power metal or symphonic metal bands do. Can anyone please release me from my ignorance in this subject? Thanks in advance!
#2
Harmonic Minor?
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Harmonic Minor?

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Harmonic Minor?


or melodic minor
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+1 Harmonic minor, i just love 'em
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Eh, when you say medieval I'm reminded of the music from the "AoE II" games. Aaah those good ol' times ...
Anyhow, Harmonic Minor is the way to go.
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Harmonic Minor always sounds spanish to me. Oh well, have to work on my phrasing.
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Eh, when you say medieval I'm reminded of the music from the "AoE II" games. Aaah those good ol' times ...
Anyhow, Harmonic Minor is the way to go.


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#11
harmonic minor??
it seems more exotic like to me than medieval.
anyways threadstarter, power metal bands use a ton of harmonic minor.
#12
Just the plain old major scale often works pretty well for medieval sounding stuff.
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Just the plain old major scale often works pretty well for medieval sounding stuff.


+1, the major scale was the first thing thet poped into my head... And i don't think they had the harmonic minor back in medieval days?
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When someone mentions medieval I think of stuff like "Greensleeves" which is pure majorness.
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I was thinking just modal scales. Mixolydian and Lydian especially.
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i'd never use a scale with a harmonic 7th for a medieval sound, just keep the 7th a minor 7th, and do what you want with the rest of em (i also suggest a minor 3rd) dorian's most used, and even natural minor does better than you might think..

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+1, the major scale was the first thing thet poped into my head... And i don't think they had the harmonic minor back in medieval days?


Toccatta en Fuge in Dm by Bach is actually in D harmonic minor. Anyway, I used to have a problem with not having everything i played in harmonic minor sound like Ravi Shankar, or some gypsy man, but you really have to just use the scale for a while and find inventive ways to approach it.
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Toccatta en Fuge in Dm by Bach is actually in D harmonic minor. Anyway, I used to have a problem with not having everything i played in harmonic minor sound like Ravi Shankar, or some gypsy man, but you really have to just use the scale for a while and find inventive ways to approach it.


thats wasnt written in medieval times though...
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#20
Not harmonic minor or melodic minor. Both those scale are way too dissonant.

The medieval ages was about consonance, alot of consonance. Minor thirds were even considered too dissonant.
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#21
depends on how medieaval a feeling you want

purist mediaeval would involve playing all your scales and solos in perfect fourths/fifths
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depends on how medieaval a feeling you want

purist mediaeval would involve playing all your scales and solos in perfect fourths/fifths
Yes, but not so much perfect fifths. Perfect fifths was what they would play when a scary, powerfull person was about to enter, so perfect fifths caused people to "stand to attention" in fear.

Perfect fourths is right too. For some reason they were very consonant in the medieval ages, but now they are regularily called dissonant.
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#23
I don't know much about most stuff mentioned, but I would have to agree that harmonic minor is much more Spanish to me.
#24
Depends what you mean by medieval really.

Harmonic Minor can produce classical, Arabic and Spanish sounds
Natural Minor and Major can produce very basic, ye-olde-tune style melodies.
Modal stuff can be very medieval, in terms of ACTUAL medieval sounds.

I think harmonies (the perfect 4ths and 5ths mentioned above) are probably your biggest friend though.
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Eh, when you say medieval I'm reminded of the music from the "AoE II" games. Aaah those good ol' times ...
Anyhow, Harmonic Minor is the way to go.


I played that game for five years as a lad and never got sick of it. Now I want to play it again. It did have some of the most beautiful music ever.

Back on topic, It's not neccesarily so much what scale you use as to what context you use it in. Of course the harmonic minor scale is not going to sound Medival if you shred through it at lightspeed, but if accompanied properly, it should sound allright. Look Up some rennaisance classical guitar pieces and get Ideas from there.

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#27
I've got nothing to input but this is something I'd like to know aswell. Espesially now that I'm starting to learn some proper theory for once.
#28
They acually banned the use of the tritone. It was considered the Devil's interval because it was so dissonant.

I think natural minor sounds very medieval when used properly.