#1
.......So how many and what scales do you know????


I know the major scale and all its modes(ionian, dorian,etc,etc).
I know the (natural) minor and all its different shapes to cover the fretboard.
I know the harmonic and melodic minor but i only know one shape for each....so is there other shapes of the melodic and harmonic that are added on to them to cover the fretboard????

And are there any other scales i'm leaving out???????
#2
I know one. But I don't know what it's called.
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what about agrepegio scales, i know blues scales. minor major scales petatronic scales.
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Get the Guitar Grimoire (or Bass Grimoire for bass players) and it'll open your eyes to everything...all your scales, modes of the scales, and not just 7-note scales, but 6- and 5-note scales too. its totally enlightening.
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Is that a question or just boasting 'bout how many scales you know?
there are hundreds more scales Im afraid!
Do you know the scales and there chords and all that or just the positions???
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Ha.... i'm not boasting by any means i'm just wondering what scales i havent learned that are important to learn. so any help would be great.
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I know the harmonic and melodic minor but i only know one shape for each....so is there other shapes of the melodic and harmonic that are added on to them to cover the fretboard????

Learn the notes on the fretboard. You can expand those "shapes" yourself.
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.......So how many and what scales do you know????


I know the major scale and all its modes(ionian, dorian,etc,etc).
I know the (natural) minor and all its different shapes to cover the fretboard.
I know the harmonic and melodic minor but i only know one shape for each....so is there other shapes of the melodic and harmonic that are added on to them to cover the fretboard????

And are there any other scales i'm leaving out???????


There are no "shapes".

Just learn the notes on the fretboard and see how they fit in with the patterns you know. You should be able to see the pattern of intervals, and by locating other instances of the root note you can play any scale anywhere on the fretboard.
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#12
You're missing a lot of stuff. But then again, so am I. But here's a list.

Ionian mode (major scale).
Dorian mode.
Phyrigian mode.
Lydian mode.
Moxilydian mode.
Aeolian mode (minor scale).
Locrian mode.
On top of these you're missing their harmonic and melodic counterparts (based on the harmonic major scale). Not to mention the altered scale, the whole tone scale, both diminished scales, hexatonics, blues, pentatonics, tetratonics...
The list is nearly infinite.
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#13
He's also missing the entire point of scales.
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He's also missing the entire point of scales.


I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something here, but shouldn't the point of having all these different scales be to learn them? What's wrong with knowing scales?
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The point that is being missed is that scales are not a series of shapes, they are a pattern of intervals. The shapes are just a handy way of remembering where these intervals occur in a certain part of the fretboard.
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#17
Well thats all fine and good, I wouldn't think someone would just play, lets say for instance a Minor Pentatonic in one position over and over and think he's soloing or anything... at least thats not what I think or do when I play scales I know. I'm just missing where the OP said he didn't understand all of this already. What's wrong with wanting to branch out your playing by learning new scales? Thats what I try to do everyday.


...unless, OP, you are just using these scales in one shape and in one position, then that technically isnt wrong or anything, but I would listen to what everyone saying here and trying to throw those scales all over the fretboard, see what you can do with em.
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so is there other shapes of the melodic and harmonic that are added on to them to cover the fretboard????



If he understood the 'pattern of intervals' idea, he wouldn't ask this.
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#19
Fair enough, I just guess that interval pattern stuff comes naturally to me when I play, its hard for me to understand how one would go about just playing one scale and not branching out from it.
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Fair enough, I just guess that interval pattern stuff comes naturally to me when I play, its hard for me to understand how one would go about just playing one scale and not branching out from it.


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Fair enough, I just guess that interval pattern stuff comes naturally to me when I play, its hard for me to understand how one would go about just playing one scale and not branching out from it.


Same for me, however we ALL spent some time learning scales as nameless dots and thinking it was teaching us something. It's only with hindsight that you realise you were wasting your time, and if you'd spent a liitle time going over the basic theory you'd have assimilated the knowledge a great deal faster.
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#22
I know by heart just the major scale.
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True, but we shouldn't downgrade the significance and importance of learning new scales. They aid you in finding new tones on the instrument as well as spicing up your play. When I first began learning scales, nothing made me more excited than finding a memorable lick. I still get that same feeling when I practice scales now (I try to go over scales every day).

Proper basic theory coupled with an understanding of scales is a must. Otherwise, scales are just like you said, nameless dots. One should first spend energy tackling the necessities of theory, before going off and trying to solo or anything.

To keep a bit on track, what are some of the more exotic or 'rare' scales people have learned?
#24
Learning new scales is great, but it's a bit pointless if you don't actually know the one's you think you've learned. Far better to go back over the stuff you've only half-learned and make sure you understand it properly before moving on, particularly as the learning process is the same for any scale.
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Same for me, however we ALL spent some time learning scales as nameless dots and thinking it was teaching us something. It's only with hindsight that you realise you were wasting your time, and if you'd spent a liitle time going over the basic theory you'd have assimilated the knowledge a great deal faster.

I didn't. Guitar is the only instrument I know of where it's considered standard to learn such a bastardized form of theory. I learned the trumpet before I learned guitar and I knew the major scale and how it pertains to TTSTTTS a week before I started playing any instrument.
Knowing scales doesn't mean memorising scales. It means knowing that given one scale you can derive literally any other scale from that one scale.
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I didn't. Guitar is the only instrument I know of where it's considered standard to learn such a bastardized form of theory. I learned the trumpet before I learned guitar and I knew the major scale and how it pertains to TTSTTTS a week before I started playing any instrument.
Knowing scales doesn't mean memorising scales. It means knowing that given one scale you can derive literally any other scale from that one scale.


You were lucky enough to come into guitar with some prior musical experience though, i don't think it's right that people learn guitar that way but it's the sad truth. Like you said, it's the only instrument that you can "play" with zero musical knowledge...for better or for worse. Obviously that only takes you so far, but if nobody's told you otherwise you can't really be blamed for it.

What really pisses me off are the "anti-theory" brigade who are arrogant enough to procalim that you don't need it. Every guitarist needs to know theory if they want to actually learn to play their instrument as opposed to being the musical equivalent of a talking parrot.
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What really pisses me off are the "anti-theory" brigade who are arrogant enough to procalim that you don't need it. Every guitarist needs to know theory if they want to actually learn to play their instrument as opposed to being the musical equivalent of a talking parrot.


I disagree. Its not necessary to go to school to learn math, science, reading, etc. By all regards its very helpful and should easily be your decision when trying to learn things, but it still isn't necessary. It's the same with music theory and well, music. You can learn to play the guitar without knowing a thing about it except you know to pluck the strings. Learning all these tones and semitones and pentatonic whatever isn't necessary. There's a reason why they call it a theory.

Arrogance does run rampant through this group of musicians, though. I think it'd be cool I guess, but I wouldn't boast about it like its some kind of achievement. I like knowing what I'm playing.
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#30
I don't think it's necessary to learn theory in the conventional sense at all. But intentionally not learning theory is absolutely stupid. Those who didn't learn theory but were great regardless (Paul McCartney comes to mind) knew theory, they just didn't learn conventional theory. If you asked Paul McCartney what the Dorian mode was he'd probably be completely clueless, and yet Eleanor Rigby -- a McCartney composition whether Lennon likes it or not (and I'm a huge Lennon fan, definately moreso than McCartney) -- remains a prime example of the Dorian mode (granted Eleanor Rigby shifts between the Dorian mode and the Aeolian mode quite heavily).
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you asked Paul McCartney what the Dorian mode was he'd probably be completely clueless


i agree with you, but i bet he would know.
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#33
I mainly know the movable ones....major, minor, minor pentatonic...
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#34
i know major, minor, harmonic minor, both pentatonics, lydian, and dorian in all keys. so 49 scales.
#35
I know all scales noob. I invented most of them. DIE NOOB.


Eh....I know the major, minor, dorian, phrygian, lydian, mixolydian, locrian, melodic minor, harmonic minor, harmonic major, phrygian dominant, pentatonic minor (its modes sound the same) and blues.

It might seem like a lot, but fluency is another thing!