#1
So ive been trying to palm mute some fast riffs, and i realized that i can do it decent on single not riffs, but whenever i have to do real fast palm muting with powerchords, i just cant for whatever reason... here, ill show you exactly what i mean.

i just learned this today. its the riff in Unholy Confessions (ewww A7x! who cares.)


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|-0-0----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|-0-0--5---7---8---10---8---7h8p7-----------10-0-8-0-7~-------7-0-8-0------|
|-0-0----0---0---0----0---0-------10~--8-8---------------7-7----------10~--|
PM- -    -   -   -    -   -            - -               - -



now i can do it just fine, in time and everything.

but i was also trying to play this riff off Beast and the Harlot:


E/----------------/----------------/----------------/----------------/
B/----------------/----------------/----------------/----------------/
G/----------------/----------------/----------------/----------------/
D/----3-----5-----/6-----5-----3-5-/----3-----5---6-/----3-----5---6-/
A/----3-----5-----/6-----5-----3-5-/----3-----5---6-/----3-----5---6-/
D/00003-00005-0000/6-00005-00003-5-/00003-00005-006-/00003-00005-006-/


and i just couldnt move fast enough... im thinking its my technique... because my friend david does it and makes it look like a walk in the park, and im sitting here looking like im passing a ****ing kidney stone and it sounds like im hitting a cat with a baby...

anyone got any ideas?
#2
Those were insteresting similies. I use alt. picking for that riff in Beast and the Harlot.
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#3
Are you alternate picking?

That would makes things a hell of a lot easier.
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#4
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Those were interesting similies. I use alt. picking for that riff in Beast and the Harlot.


You definitely want to use all down strokes for that if you can, it will sound more "metal."

Practice the opening riff to Blackened by Metallica in all down strokes, start really slow and work up. Once you get that down you should be able to play anything Ax7 can throw at you.
#5
Quote by Rebourne
You definitely want to use all down strokes for that if you can, it will sound more "metal."


That's not right though, they play it all alternate.

For Unholy Confessions I use a kind of down-/alternate-picking hybrid that could be seen as 'pure outside picking'.

For the first 2 notes of each section (the ones on the low D) use downstrokes then switch to alternate picking so all the notes on the low D end up being downstrokes and all the notes on the A end up being upstrokes. Although I suppose if you want to be really authentic you shoul use all downstrokes but that takes a lot of work to get up to speed.
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#6
I really don't see why people say that those notes have to be downstroked to sound metal. My upstrokes sound exactly like my downstrokes, thus I simply alternate pick (or, even more evil, economy pick) lines like that.

I imagine it is your palm muting technique that is causing you problems. It can really throw unanchored players for a loop. Practice finding the most comfortable way to palm mute and pick strings quickly. Try rotating your hand a bit, so that you have more picking motion available to do those quick lines.
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I really don't see why people say that those notes have to be downstroked to sound metal. My upstrokes sound exactly like my downstrokes, thus I simply alternate pick (or, even more evil, economy pick) lines like that.

I imagine it is your palm muting technique that is causing you problems. It can really throw unanchored players for a loop. Practice finding the most comfortable way to palm mute and pick strings quickly. Try rotating your hand a bit, so that you have more picking motion available to do those quick lines.


yeah i was kinda thinking it was my palm muting too... i alternate pick both songs, and i still cant get beast and the harlot to sound anything near the original...
#8
Yeah, then it's palm muting technique. Just practice, and you'll find your groove, then it will be as easy as normal picking.
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#9
alot of people initially, when they first start palm muting, they really lift their hand way up when un-palm muting, which is really unnecessary. you just have to lift it up far enough to not make contact (which is a very tiny amount) keep practicing and eventually you'll get used to it.
#10
Quote by Rebourne
You definitely want to use all down strokes for that if you can, it will sound more "metal."

Practice the opening riff to Blackened by Metallica in all down strokes, start really slow and work up. Once you get that down you should be able to play anything Ax7 can throw at you.


That riff is much too fast to play downpicked, even by masters of downpicking.
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You definitely want to use all down strokes for that if you can, it will sound more "metal."



Even if it did sound more metal, it's impossible to downpick that portion of Beast and the Harlot. Your hand would have to move inhumanly fast.
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alot of people initially, when they first start palm muting, they really lift their hand way up when un-palm muting, which is really unnecessary. you just have to lift it up far enough to not make contact (which is a very tiny amount) keep practicing and eventually you'll get used to it.


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#13
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That riff is much too fast to play downpicked, even by masters of downpicking.


IDK dude, Mick Thompson of Slipknot can downpick wicked fast. Saw him thrashin out a lesson on the Guitar World CD of their song surfacing. He also did a quick lesson on building mutted downpicking speed....he was very fast is my point so I think it CAN be done....
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IDK dude, Mick Thompson of Slipknot can downpick wicked fast. Saw him thrashin out a lesson on the Guitar World CD of their song surfacing. He also did a quick lesson on building mutted downpicking speed....he was very fast is my point so I think it CAN be done....


He wasn't that fast. Beast and the Harlot clocks in at 155bpm during that part in solid 16ths, that translates to 8ths at 310 bpm where Surfacing maxes out at 216bpm in 8ths.

See the problem now?
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#15
i c ur point. i concede that fact.
ne way i feel at those speeds its easier to alt pick rather than use staight downpicking. just sayin that if u practiced down pickin for ur whole life u mite be able to play that fast...just sayin its possible is all....
#16
I have an idea, put your palm as close as you can to the Tailpiece or the shiny metal thingy.... remember shiny is good
#17
i think it's your palm muting. just work on it. anyways, beast and the harlot riff is played with alt picking, way easier to play it. if you can't pick it that fast, work on your alt picking too. and good luck
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That riff is much too fast to play downpicked, even by masters of downpicking.


Metallica does indeed downpick it, if my memory serves me correctly. If I remember right, James said something like "If you can downpick it, then do it, otherwise it's a waste."

For the Beast and the Harlot riff, I'd alternate pick it.
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Metallica does indeed downpick it, if my memory serves me correctly. If I remember right, James said something like "If you can downpick it, then do it, otherwise it's a waste."

For the Beast and the Harlot riff, I'd alternate pick it.


I think he was referring to Beast and the Harlot. B&H is way to fast to be downpicked, but the powerchords do need to be downpicked to give them that "ooomph" they need. As fas as Blackened goes, that does need to be down picked to get the right sound. It's funny, people always are like "OMG i can playz teh Puppetzorz" but Blackened is like three times harder than MoP.

Hetfield is the master of downpicking, Paul Gilbert is the king of alt. picking, and Jason Becker is the Ruler of all sweeps.
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