#1
Well I was pretty much decided on a new Epiphone G-400, but then I saw the Standard Epi LP's for the same price refurbished. I was wondering, what one is better? I mostly play classic rock, & rock. Nothing is much more heavy then AC/DC. My biggest issues are with the LP. I hear the necks are quite big. I'm also worried that the refurbished guitars might look bad. So what would be better overall at the same price? And is the LP's neck thick? If so, I think I'd take the G-400.
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#2
^both LP necks and SG necks are super chunky. u played the SG and didn't think it had a thick neck?

also, SGs are quite neck heavy. it doesn't have a good weight balance.
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#4
Well they are the best bet for my style of music, so please go complain somewhere else. I had played the G-400 but the neck was replaced. I just said that based on what people had told me.
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#5
they are both thick. and i am not sure how much your paying for these guitars, but look around for better ones in the same price range, because they arent very good guitars. both necks feel very cheap.
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#7
i think the G400 and LP standards have the same kind of neck profiles. both fat and chunky. SGs are neck heavy, so if u put on a strap and play it, it's a bit uncomfortable. thats my opinion. but ur best bet for your style of music is to go play the two. i personally wouldn't get a refurbished guitar either.
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#8
all Epiphones, apart from the Zakk wylde one, are awful. get something else
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Thanks for the help.

The LP and SG are very similar, they best thing you can do is try them out and pick one.
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#10
They are 300. I looked around and couldn't find anything to fit me better. I'm not looking at brands like Agile either, they are just too much of a pain for me to find.
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#11
go to a music store and play them both, they feel pretty different to me. whichever you prefer, because they sound pretty similar (enough that the feel of it would be more important)
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#12
the real question is: how much is the LP refurbished?
if the answer is greatly, then go with the SG. If not, go with the LP. they're great guitars; capable of a greater range in sound than SGs, and their weight and neck width give one added sustain.
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#13
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all Epiphones, apart from the Zakk wylde one, are awful. get something else

i find the Epiphone Les Paul classic quilt top to be pretty decent for the price. i don't think the Zakk Wyle one is that great tho.
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#14
The LP is also 300. I can't try any out because we don't have an Epiphone dealer here. I just go to try that SG by chance.
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#16
^lol. i thought that woulda been quite harsh to tell him.
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#17
^Haha, I'm much more of a n00b.
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lol, n00b

this coming from a guy that has a little 15 watt mg...who's the noob?

anyways if i had to pick, i'd take the G400, but you should save up for something better
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#21
Well there isn't really much I would save up for. Plus I just really need a guitar as soon as I can. Mine is dead and repairs would be more then a new guitar setup.
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"Mabye I dont get my rich preppy parents to buy me $1000 tube amps."

and maybe he works like the rest of us. so he can afford decent equipment.
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#24
What a great conversation... now can more people please help me instead of dissing Epiphone!
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#25
Both the SG and LP's have chunky necks. They will both play the music you want to with ease. So what it really comes down to is what feels more comfortable, looks more appealing to you etc. I would say go for the SG since you seemed to have been leaning towards it already.
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#26
^Thank you very much. Well right now I'm playing with a Silvertone Beginner pack. I guess I will try to find the info on the necks of all 3 and compare them.
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#27
IMO the g400 quality is usually better than the lp standard, I tried a epi custom lp and liked my g400 sound better at the store, but if you have any store remotely near you to try them out that would be good. btw I don't find the necks on the g400/lp's chunky, they are just like perfect for me, but i guess thats just me lol.
#28
For the type of music you play and your price range I think either the Epi LP or G400 would be good choices. Just a few points:

Les Paul necks do tend to be 'chunkier'. The Gibson LP necks seem to be a little more so than the Epiphone necks. The Epi LP Std is a solid guitar. They are very heavy--usually around 9-10 lbs. If you want a little nicer guitar, look at the Epi LP ultras, customs, and elitists.

SG necks are thinner from front to back but wide from side-to-side. The body is thinner and lighter than a LP. Again, a nicer Epi G400 is the custom model with 3 pickups and gold hardware.

You can find some great deals on Epiphone Factory 2nd and refurbished guitars. I've sold several of them. Most of them are very clean...many are flawless.

I personally prefer the LP to the G400 for the feel of the neck and weight/balance of the body.
#29
hmm well i have a similar problem i currently have the g-400 at home got cause i have been out of work for awhile moved to a new state etc and was all i could afford i grew up playing ibanez and jacksons but decided to not use those style guitars anymore,anyway on topic.
if you are used to something like ibanez and strats etc the sg feels close when playing it with the pick hand than the lp the lp for my pick hand was kind of uncomfortable,but the neck heavyness is a pain in the ass i am going back this week tot he store and bringing home the lp i think and giving it a try
#31
I wouldn't be too concerned with the neck thickness myself. A thinner neck isn't going to magically make you a shredder - in fact you probably won't be able to play that much faster at all. And fat necks are way more comfortable for chord work.
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#32
personally i wouldnt buy any thing les than a Les Paul custom but G-400s are usuallly decent
#33
here take MY advice i've had firsthand exp. with the G-400 for the past two years as its my main axe. i LOVE it. you take that guitar and swap out the pups for some seymour duncans...you got urself sex made of wood haha. now the epi les pauls are nice, but being able to play high up the neck is really really nice so i say go w/ the SG. i dont regret buying it at all, yes the neck is fatter than a lotta strat type guitars, but they're not built for shredding, but mind you, i CAN and DO shred on it a lot so its not impossible. after a lil while you will be completely comfortable with it. just b/c its an epi dont mean its not any good, if YOU have the TECHNIQUE then you will make it sing. it is a really great guitar for its price, excellent for supin up into a mean machine. hope that helped, i take pride in my axe. not to mention if you wanna sound like angus, you're gonna be pretty spot on here. it is very versatile after you get some pro grade pups in there. remember your amp has a lot to do w/ ur sound too, b/c i use a Vox Valvetronix and it is beautiful thru it, cheap amps will make it sound cheap. if you play thru a tube amp....you have urself a very cost effective alternative!!! STOP READIN, GET THE SG!!!
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#34
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all Epiphones, apart from the Zakk wylde one, are awful. get something else

Evidently you've never touched any of the Elitist series (better than any Gibson), the Joe Perry signature (about equal to the Zakk Wylde signature, maybe a touch better, depends what tone you want. Personally I think they're much better, but I own one so hey I'm biased), the Toni Iommi signature SG (see the Joe Perry and Zakk Wylde signatures), and the various Customs. They also put a lot of effort into their Limited Editions.

Really the only Epis which should truly not be touched are the 100, Special-II, Junior, and Studio (though to be fair, Gibson Studios also blow). All the others at the very least, have potential. All I had to do to my Epi LP Custom was upgrade it's pickups, and now it's better than one of my Gibsons, and only a tad behind my second Gibson - and it cost just a fraction of the price in total, and if anything, I find Epi's neck profile more comfortable than either of Gibson's 50's or 60's profiles.


Anyway. All Epis have the exact same neck profile, so there should be no difference between that SG and the Epi.

However, there is one key thing...
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The LP is also 300. I can't try any out because we don't have an Epiphone dealer here. I just go to try that SG by chance.

Because of this, do not bother with an Epiphone.

Epiphone have weird quality standards. About 20% of them are amazing, and with a pickup upgrade (and maybe a bridge upgrade too), they can easily be as good as a Gibson. However, about 25% of Epis are utterly awful, and will fall apart in your hands, and sound horrible no matter what you do to them. The remainder are purely average. Obviously, don't settle for this - you want one of the good ones. Of course if you order one in or whatever, you have no way of knowing what you'll get. The one you get sent might be great, but chances are it'll be bad. You must, MUST, try an Epi out in-store before you buy it, and only buy the one you tried out, don't buy one that's sat in a box out back or whatever. And most of all, never buy an Epiphone guitar online.

Of course, if you don't have an Epi dealer near you, this can cause a problem. Most stores can order in any guitar from any company, but some will charge you an ordering fee, so even if it turns out to be a sucky one and you don't want it, you still end up paying out for it anyway.

Additionally, this only really applies to Epi's production LPs. Their Elitists, SGs, Limited Editions, acoustics and Signature guitars, all tend to have fine quality across the board, with bad ones being much rarer compared to how often a bad LP from them shows up.


So, given your situation, go with the SG. Yeah, their neck/body balance is worse, and they're not quite so versatile, but if you don't have the option to try out a bunch of Epi LPs to cherry-pick the best one, then it's not worth the risk compared to the safer bet of the SG.
#35
Before I bought my G-400 I tried a G-400 and an SG back to back, and didn't notice any real difference, other then at the neck joint. I was rather impressed with it and pretty much was GASing for one since. A few weeks later I ordered a nice satin black one online, $300 later for new pick-ups, the thing is a beast.

I'd say get the G-400, they play quite nice.
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#36
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Before I bought my G-400 I tried a G-400 and an SG back to back, and didn't notice any real difference, other then at the neck joint. I was rather impressed with it and pretty much was GASing for one since. A few weeks later I ordered a nice satin black one online, $300 later for new pick-ups, the thing is a beast.

I'd say get the G-400, they play quite nice.


I presume you mean a Gibson SG. Otherwise you would be trying an Epi SG against an er..Epi SG!

Can someone clear this up for me - ECisthebest said SG's are neck heavy. But I thought it was only Epi SG's that were like that?
#37
^ Well, a lot of them are. Some aren't. Gibsons tend to have better wood matching than Epis so you're more likely to get a better balance. Epis are very often neck heavy, but the Tonni Iommi SG I find is very very comfortable.
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#38
The main problem with the Epi SG's weight balance, is they use the same mahogany necks for the SGs as they do for their LPs, and the necks are balanced for the LPs... but SGs have a slightly thinner, lighter body than the LPs, which means with those necks, they become a bit imbalanced.

Gibson don't always have this problem, as most guitars Gibson make have a choice of neck profiles, and some of those are better balanced for SGs than others.

That said, an LP of any brand will almost always be better balanced than a SG anyway, simply because there's just no way with an LP you're ever going to get a neck outweighing the body (well, unless the body is made of a very cheap wood, but all LPs should be made of mahogany). If balance is a big issue for you, an LP will normally be the better way to go.


As for the necks being 'chunky', this shouldn't be an issue. With Gibson you have a chocie of neck profiles, with Epiphone all the necks are the same profile, and how they're attached is an easy clue to tell how easy they'll be to handle. Epi's bolt-on necks, for example, will give you no problem with upper fret access, as they've got virtually no 'heel' to attach them to the guitar body; on the other hand, any set-neck Epi do will be harder to handle, as it'll have a bigger heel on the join with the body, which can get in the way. If a particular Epi has this problem and you want easier access, try and find the next closest thing, but with a bolt-on neck. You might not like the tone and sustain as much, but it'll certainly be easier to play on the higher frets.
#39
I play an epi lp custom and it's pretty damn good. It comes out of tune a little easily and it would probably be good to upgrade the pickups. But if you have a little extra dough, try that. If not, I'd say go with the lp. I don't really love either but I have used the lp before and it sounded pretty good. idk I didn't really like the sg but that's a matter of personal opinion. Just try both at a nearby Guitar center or something and make a decision.
#40
Epi LPs are much higher quality than Epi SGs, from what I have heard and tested out myself at guitar center. I was confronted with this choice a few weeks ago. I got the LP and I don't regret my decision.
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