#1
ive been wanting to get a les paul, but i started reading about the les paul inspired esp (eclipse) and its probably the only guitar ive havent read a bad review about, everyone just has awesome things to say about them.

anyone here own one or have any opinions?
#2
well i don't own 1 but ive played 1 in a music store and thought it was awesome....the sound was great (but that was mostly because of the amp) and i really liked the neck...my only problem was that it wasnt set up properly yet, but thats easy for them to fix

all in all, i liked it
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#4
i think ive been swayed from wanting a les paul to getting one of these, i need to test one out though i didnt see any in guitar center last time i was in there, and they are not on the gc website so maybe they dont carry them?

anyway id like to hear more opinions
#5
They've, oddly enough, disappeared from the GC website. Musician's Friend, on the other hand, has plenty:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation/esp-guitar-basses-electric-guitars?N=100001+304275+201358

Any local shop will probably have them, if Guitar Center doesn't. [Unless the shop is specialized, like Fender or Gibson only, or vintage gear, etc...]

At any rate, I've got an LTD Anniversary EC [roughly the equivalent of the current Satin Black EC-500] and it's absolutely amazing. I'd say without a doubt get the ESP, although you would be somewhat limited if you wanted to play, say, creamy-blues lines [assuming you get a model with EMGs. They do offer some with Seymour Duncans.]

Depending on your price range, you should have a wide variety of options. Personally, I'd go for the ESP Standard Eclipse II, as it's only about $1400 US, and it's their second-highest production model - it will match pretty much anything Gibson can offer you, in terms of quality. Otherwise, don't get anything under a 400 series. ESP/LTD have some of the best, most reliable craftsmanship, but they're somewhat notorious for their shoddy low-end models.


And the body style and headstock are sooo sexy.
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#7
there awesome guitars I love mine, I can't think of anything i dislike about it
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#8
im thinkin the ec1000 although the gold hardware has to go. unfortunately i dont have 1400 to spend
#9
Quote by DirtyMcCurty
im thinkin the ec1000 although the gold hardware has to go. unfortunately i dont have 1400 to spend

a friend of mine bought a LTD EC1000 and I can only say that its a great instrument...... it sounds awesome and overall its just comfortable to play...... ESP makes some really sick instruments...... consider this though, ESP's is best for metal


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#10
japanese esp's are sweet, just don't expect it to sound exactly the same as a les paul- the eclipse is more a modern take on a les paul.

if you want the les paul sound, you don't necessarily have to go gibson, though. edwards, tokai, etc. would be worth a look in that case (or navigator or the higher tokais if you're really willing to spend some cash).
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#11
I love my ESP Eclipse, for picks look at my default profile pic... Its not a Gibson, it never will be, but its one of the best guitars ive ever played.....
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#13
Quote by Dave_Mc
japanese esp's are sweet, just don't expect it to sound exactly the same as a les paul- the eclipse is more a modern take on a les paul.

if you want the les paul sound, you don't necessarily have to go gibson, though. edwards, tokai, etc. would be worth a look in that case (or navigator or the higher tokais if you're really willing to spend some cash).

all good points, but ive got a feeling the thread starter is more concerned about the shape rather than sound
#14
Quote by Diamond Dave
all good points, but ive got a feeling the thread starter is more concerned about the shape rather than sound





Quote by DirtyMcCurty
what about for playing hardcore


yeah should be grand, but bear in mind your amp is at least as important as the guitar in getting the sound. if you're willing to blow £1000 on an ESP, you should be willing to blow at least as much on your amp.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#15
ESP's just have a wonderful neck (they call it Thin U in the catalog...I'm too lazy to measure the radius) that's solid with two way truss rods (so you can set it up with no buzz), high quality maple, that is smooth, fast, and fits my hands perfectly. The neck and flat fingerboards were my primary motivations to getting one.
They do have a modern sound...and since you play hardcore, it's pretty much calling for you...just get a massive amp head and cabinet (I've heard good things about Peaveys) and you should be good to go. Should you want more tonal variety (actives have a voice that's more independent from the wood of the guitar), you can always get the versions with Duncans.

They probably disappeared from Guitar Center (they're not in their stores either) because the investor owning the company (and Schecter) is very exacting that every guitar sold is set up well. I got that info from a Mom and Pop store near where I live that sells them. That's why it's more an underground brand than say Jackson.
#16
Quote by DirtyMcCurty
what about for playing hardcore

You get a guitar with EMG 60 and 81, most esp's come with them. But it mainly in your amp for that sound you have treble 3 o clock, bass 5 o clock and mid 10 o clock, then put distortion on it
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#20
ESP has great QC. And despite all the brutal metalz crap, they do great for most styles of music, if you just mod them out a bit.
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#21
I own 3 ESPs

Well actually 2 LTDs and used to have an ESP. H300, EX400bd and M-II UC(which i've sold off along with my stratocaster )

Currently looking around for a Mahogany bodied ESP, as the alder body MII didnt appeal to me much, kinda lacked the chunk and thick tone of mahogany like my EX and H300.
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#22
Quote by ~Andrea-Angel~
I own 3 ESPs
Currently looking around for a Mahogany bodied ESP


Get an MH-1000. so what if its not an ESP.
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#23
The Horizon and Viper are the only Mahogany ESPs...if you want the Floyd, you should get the MH-1000.
If you want to save money, this EC should be worth a look...it may have a ding or scratch, but the price is phenomenal. If I didn't love double cutaways, I'd get it.
#24
Quote by Reesh
Get an MH-1000. so what if its not an ESP.


When I can get the real deal, why settle for the LTD? Im not bashing LTDs or anything, I own 2. But the the difference in feel, tonewise and all are apparent when you play an ESP and LTD side by side.

Anyways, i have access to non US ESPs, which has wayyyyy more choices to choose from.
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#25
^ agreed. if you know you'd rather have the real esp, it could actually be a false economy to put up with the LTD, if you know you'll eventually buy the ESP anyway...

As I always say, "Buy it right first time."
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#26
I'm getting an FX-400 in like 2 weeks, I tested it out, LOVED IT.
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#27
I would say if you wanna save up the extra cash then go for a les paul. I always kinda viewed the eclipses and vipers and bastardized les pauls and sgs. Just like dave mc said, they basically took gibsons idea and made it metal. But if you play balls out metal 24/7 then yeah I would recommend the esp.
#28
I thought about buying a ESP LTD EX400 with the black finish....... simply love the shape and everything else on the guitar appeals to me....... I've never really played one though, but one day soon I will try one out.......


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#29
Quote by Bobbito315
I would say if you wanna save up the extra cash then go for a les paul. I always kinda viewed the eclipses and vipers and bastardized les pauls and sgs. Just like dave mc said, they basically took gibsons idea and made it metal. But if you play balls out metal 24/7 then yeah I would recommend the esp.


You should never compare the Eclipse/Vipers with the Gibson counterparts. Sure they look similar, but those similarities stop right there. First of all, the Eclipse wasnt meant to imitate the les paul's tone, its simply ESP's take on modernising the classic les paul, with lighter/thinner body, thinner neck, belly chamfer, specialised hardware..etc. Its never meant to replace the les paul.
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