#1
Guys I jsut put a new set of Zakk's new Dulop 10-60's on and WOW they are sweet! But now I was looking around on the web and found this....he strings the string over his tail piece anyone else ever try it? I think next set it do will be like this.
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I've been doing it for a couple weeks now and I like it. I don't think it makes much of a difference but I don't have any problems with it so i'm just gonna stick with it. Seems like my bends are easier with it like that but maybe i'm just getting better at bends..
#4
Ya... doesn't really matter, just a part of his sig look
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#5
i think he does that so that the strings aren't at as much of an angle when they come out of the tailpiece and over the bridge, which will likely reduce breakage at that point
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Quote by cerveza
i think he does that so that the strings aren't at as much of an angle when they come out of the tailpiece and over the bridge, which will likely reduce breakage at that point

But that would also reduce sustain...
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#7
lets the strings resonate more into the bridge, slightly fuller sounding, not a big difference, but some. there's actually a company which makes tailpieces with grooves in it so you can do that easier, but its like 60$ so whatever
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Quote by Shinozoku
But that would also reduce sustain...

i don't know, i've never tried it. it seems to work for Zakk
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he uses like a warparound tailpiece, that reduces some sustain but gives better control in bends and the angle the strings go trough the tailpiece isnt that abrubt if you have a very low or high action
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#10
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But that would also reduce sustain...


true, and it wont affect how easily the strings can break at all. zakk has a brain, he knows to change out his strings a lot, like youre supposed to
#11
it also helps it stay in tune a bit better i believe
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#12
I do it, and I think it makes bends a little easier because less downward tension is applied to the saddles, meaning they pull easier. When I change the strings, I just do it out of habit now.
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#13
mneh i dont wanna try it, im not really open minded to minor changements, and also i use the zakk wylde 11s, they sick, and i think theyre gonna rip my bridge out lol
#14
Why does everyone say it reduces sustain? I don't see how it would?
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Its a psychological thing. People who think it will improve sustain, will say it will. and people saying it wont, wont.
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now that i think of it more...im wondering why his sig guitars dont come set up like that? that pic was one of his "aged" model....hmm think i may just leave it as is LOL
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true, and it wont affect how easily the strings can break at all. zakk has a brain, he knows to change out his strings a lot, like youre supposed to



YES IT WILL thats the reason Zakk himself does it. He even talks about it in the video below. He talks how he breaks far less strings doing it that way because of the angle in which they go through the tail piece but in his method they are almost straight across the sharp parts.

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#18
great video...yeah just to help stop breaking strings...hmm i think i may try this next string change...
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#19
Theres a different tailpiece for running the strings over the top. It has the dents for the ball ends on both sides. The one I saw was 36 bucks. And its not a new trick jimmy page was doing long ago and Im sure he got the idea from somebody else. As for sustain thats all up to a persons ear but Im sure it would do alot for string breakage.
#20
This isn't anything new, and yes if the angle is too steep you will break strings like mad.



I know its a different style bridge but tunomatic bridge style didn't come in till 55 or 56 or something.
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#21
i know this thread is dirt old but i figured i'd reopen it.

I've also heard of the same technique except you go under the bridge instead of over it. After trying both i've found that doing it under the bridge has much for of an effect that over it tbh. Bending is much easier, and yes it does improve sustain.
#22
Yeah, very old thread.

You know you can raise or lower that piece so the strings go over the saddle as a different angle, right?
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#23
It's hard to find a picture showing this, but when the tailpiece is lowered all the way to the body it gives the best sustain. However the strings usually rub against the base of the bridge before they reach the saddles, that's what my Flying V does right now.



Whenever you wrap them around the tailpiece they don't do that




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#24
Honestly I don't really think it's even necessary for a Les Paul. I think it's a much more effective technique with an SG, cause of their lack of sustain.
#25
Yay necrobumping.

I've tried it both ways for Les Pauls (Epi, Gibson and three copy brands), SGs (Epi and a ocuple of copy brands), an Epi Dot and now a Firebird (Epi), and I have never, ever noticed any difference in sustain or tone in any of the guitars when restrinigng the guitar this way. The only thing I do notice is the slightly lower tension when bending strings when the strings are wrapped around the tailpiece. This could also be done by just raising the height of the tailpiece very slightly. In theory, wrapping them over this way or raising the tailpiece should lower sustain and give less precise response, but I'm buggered if I can hear any difference.
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#26
My understanding of this method is that it mainly adds more string tension as his scale length is actually longer with it strung that way instead of directly through the bridge.

Anyone care to elaborate?
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#27
pretty sure duane allman has been doing that forever.

i tried it. havent had any increased or decreaed issue. aparently, it is supposed to slightly loosen the strings and create more overtones. however i really cant tell the difference.

besides from looking cool/different, being harder to string (slightly more to worry about) the main thing is that the strings create a bridge between the saddles and teh stop peices, allowing you to rest your hand on it. if you palm mute, this is a dream.
#28
Quote by srob7001
My understanding of this method is that it mainly adds more string tension as his scale length is actually longer with it strung that way instead of directly through the bridge.

Anyone care to elaborate?
Incorrect and actually the opposite. Scale length is from the nut to the bridge saddles, not the tailpiece. Wrapping the strings over the top of the tailpiece like this lessens the break angle over the saddles, which doesn't really effect the string tension much when just plucking the strings normally or doing light vibrato but it will give them a very slightly looser feel when bending them a step or more.
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Incorrect and actually the opposite. Scale length is from the nut to the bridge saddles, not the tailpiece. Wrapping the strings over the top of the tailpiece like this lessens the break angle over the saddles, which doesn't really effect the string tension much when just plucking the strings normally or doing light vibrato but it will give them a very slightly looser feel when bending them a step or more.


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#30
Quote by MrFlibble
Incorrect and actually the opposite. Scale length is from the nut to the bridge saddles, not the tailpiece. Wrapping the strings over the top of the tailpiece like this lessens the break angle over the saddles, which doesn't really effect the string tension much when just plucking the strings normally or doing light vibrato but it will give them a very slightly looser feel when bending them a step or more.

I think break angle makes a pretty big difference to string tension, obviously it wont change the scale length, but part of the reason the strings on my jag feel so slack is to do with the really low break angle. Same thing with the jazzmaster which has a standard 25.5" scale length.

As for the wrap around bridge thing, couldnt you accomplish the same from just raising the tailpeice?
#31
i haven't tried this, so i'm definitely not speaking from experience here. but i can't think it actually adds to string tension at all if bends are easier. thats kind of a contradiction. plus bends are easy enough on a 24.75" scale i think. don't know why you'd want to potentially sacrifice sustain for a slightly easier bend. just my thoughts
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#32
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But that would also reduce sustain...


This is totally incorrect. All it does is change the break angle over the bridge. People argue it increases sustain due to greater contact with the tail piece.
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#33
not to mention can help lower the stop bar almost all teh way.

my guitar is set up right now and the stop bar and the TOM part are almost all the way lowered right on the body (TOM peice is raised a bit, it pretty much has to be).
#35
what it does is it loosens the strings making it easier to do wide bends and vibrato- it doesnt effect tone but it does improve playing- if you do a lot of bends anyways
#36
if you raise the tail piece you will lose sustain- going over the tailpiece you cut the tension without losing sustain
#37
Necro bump, a double post?

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#38
I know in Superterrorizer, Zakk uses the strings behind the tune-o-matic bridge, maybe he does it for tonal reasons?


Edit; damn necrobump got me....
#39
from my experience of doing it, it makes the stings feel a bit saggier, other than that, not much difference IMO