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#1
So i did some research and tested a lot of amps and i think i've narrowed it down to either a B-52 AT-100 head or a Peavey 6505+ with a B-52 ST-412 cab. The B-52 route is a lot closer to my price range, but i have never been able to play both heads side by side. Is it worth it to try and get a job (i'm 16) to earn the $600 more (the B-52 is in my price range at the moment) for the peavey? I will be using this stack for practice and gigs a little less than once a week.
#2
peavey sounds like it would be worth it more, and alot cooler
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the peavey is just an all round better amp. its like a level higher than the b52.
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#4
id think that a B-52 could get sounds like the Peavey with some good pedals, but a 6505+ is probably better than the B-52 by far. id save for a while.
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the peavey is just an all round better amp. its like a level higher than the b52.



scale of 1-10 what does each of the amps rank for an early metallica through august burns red kind of sound?
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the peavey is just an all round better amp. its like a level higher than the b52.



you have an B-52 AT. how has it been working for you
#7
If you're going to be dropping so much cash, get a Mesa head, Mark series. That will def. be a better option
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If you're going to be dropping so much cash, get a Mesa head, Mark series. That will def. be a better option



not THAT much. i'm a high schooler with no joband no allowance. right now i have $1500 TOPS for a head and cab not just one
#10
$400 more gets you the mark IV combo.

The B-52 has better cleans, while the peavey's gain channel is more over the top than the b-52.
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i think i need to be more specific for what i'm looking for. i will be using whatver i get for my high school jazz band, a nu - metal band, metallica cover band and a hardcore band. i have an sg with EMG 81, 85. does that one have just as good of cleans and blues sounds as the AT-100?
#13
From my understanding, yes, it does. But, I haven't tried it out myself. I plan to do so sometime soon.

Why are you using active EMGs if you want good cleans, though? I don't see any need for that much output from the bands you listed.
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From my understanding, yes, it does. But, I haven't tried it out myself. I plan to do so sometime soon.

Why are you using active EMGs if you want good cleans, though? I don't see any need for that much output from the bands you listed.



i forgot to mention the cleans are for jazz band and i use a fender tele for that. all the metal type stuff i use the EMG guitar and usually play lead, lots of pinch harmonics, tremelo picking, etc.
#15
Ah, well, I'm not totally sure. But, I do believe its cleans are just as good. You never really know 'til you check it out yourself, though.
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#16
Buy used. That's all I have to say...

You can get a used 5150, the exact same thing as the 6505 for cheaper than the B-52 is new. You could also get a Mesa Mark IV combo for $1000-1300 and have a better amp than both for cheaper than buying the 6505 new.
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#17
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Buy used. That's all I have to say...

You can get a used 5150, the exact same thing as the 6505 for cheaper than the B-52 is new. You could also get a Mesa Mark IV combo for $1000-1300 and have a better amp than both for cheaper than buying the 6505 new.



i've never really trusted used equipment, but where would you suggest finding this stuff and knowing its reliable?
#18
craigslist. almost all of my current gear is used and i've had very few problems. just inspect and try it all out yourself before committing to the buy. you can get some really great deals by going used.
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craigslist. almost all of my current gear is used and i've had very few problems. just inspect and try it all out yourself before committing to the buy. you can get some really great deals by going used.


+1, I always find good deals on ebay too, but I don't think I'd ever buy gear off there, I'd want to play it before hand to make sure that it isn't what I want when it gets to my house.
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#20
I think its Appl vs Orange here really. the B-52 is more like a Mesa Triple Rec. while the Peavey 6505+/5150 are unique beasts. Play them first and find which one you like the best.
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I think its Appl vs Orange here really. the B-52 is more like a Mesa Triple Rec. while the Peavey 6505+/5150 are unique beasts. Play them first and find which one you like the best.



thanks, i've played both but never side by side or even the same day.

in terms of cabs i've liked this one http://www.guitarcenter.com/shop/product/buy_b52_st412_280w_4x12_guitar_cabinet_with_celestion_vintage_30s?full_sku=602079%2e387
but if anyone has any suggestions for something better in that price range please tell me.
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you have an B-52 AT. how has it been working for you


its great. i love it to death and is just perfect for me at the moment. i would not need to upgrade unless i wanted to upgrade
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never heard of avatar. has anyone played one of their cabs?


I have, old guitarist in my band used to own one and it was a great cab, I've actually been considering selling my Marshall 1960 and getting one of the Avatars with Vintage 30s in it. Amazing cabs for the money.

The bass player in my band also has an avatar 4x10, but that's a bass cab
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#27
You have enough for a 6505 combo, why don't you just get that?

You don't need a half stack.
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You have enough for a 6505 combo, why don't you just get that?

You don't need a half stack.



how do you know i don't need one?
plus combo's always break on me
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Quote by kornliaslumpica
how do you know i don't need one?
plus combo's always break on me


because there is a really high chance that you arent playing sold out concerts and whatnot.

you must also have bad luck with combos thne
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#31
Nah, the 6505 combo is wicked heavy for a combo, almost 85 LBS!!!!!

So to all the mindless zombie losers toting the "GET THE COMBO!" line, the 5150/6505 is one of those amps that that line doesn't really apply to.

However, getting the head and a 212 cab would own.
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#32
Half stacks are fun though. Sometimes that rock-star feeling just comes across better with a half-stack. Also great for pissing off neighbors that suck.

+1 for the halfstack, and go Peavey! I have a circa 1974-75 head that I use with my baritones. Peavey is very reliable, and definitely decent on price.
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Half stacks are fun though. Sometimes that rock-star feeling just comes across better with a half-stack. Also great for pissing off neighbors that suck.


A tube combo is still loud enough to piss of the neighbors, easily.

The 5150/6505 combo is heavy as hell I'd rather carry my 4x12 than the combo, but I personally like the sound of the combo more than the head.
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#34
Quote by kornliaslumpica
how do you know i don't need one?
plus combo's always break on me


have you considered then that maybe a half stack will break on you aswell? But to be fair you'd probably be better off with a half stack if you get the 6505 as the speakers on peaveys aren't really that good. But with a good cab they can be mindblowing...
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#35
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Nah, the 6505 combo is wicked heavy for a combo, almost 85 LBS!!!!!

So to all the mindless zombie losers toting the "GET THE COMBO!" line, the 5150/6505 is one of those amps that that line doesn't really apply to.

However, getting the head and a 212 cab would own.



Cute little rant.


Anyway, I was simply saying if he is in such need of getting a 6505, but can't save the extra $500, I suggested get the combo.

#36
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i've never really trusted used equipment, but where would you suggest finding this stuff and knowing its reliable?


Mesa boogies are built extremely tough. The only problems you should ever have with one is a tube problem.
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#37
You shouldn't really compare a B-52 AT to a Peavey 6505. The B-52 is one of the best tube amps in its price range, and so is the Peavey. Both are fantastic for their price.
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#38
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Cute little rant.


Anyway, I was simply saying if he is in such need of getting a 6505, but can't save the extra $500, I suggested get the combo.




Why not get the 5150 head used for half price, and pair it with a Vader cab? Costs less thab a new 6505 combo and is the same thing. I wasn't even talking to you, I was aiming at the large group of people that will cry "combo!" just to go along with the crowd.

If he can save for the cab, why not? It will be infinitely more portable than the combo. I'd rater wait and save up a tiny bit more than to just get something "now" that has long term disadvantages.

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#39
i tested out my friends amps who own both a 6505 and a b 52 and the b 52 was more of the sound i was looking for so i don't really need any more suggestions, i know what i'm gettin
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Why not get the 5150 head used for half price, and pair it with a Vader cab? Costs less thab a new 6505 combo and is the same thing. I wasn't even talking to you, I was aiming at the large group of people that will cry "combo!" just to go along with the crowd.

If he can save for the cab, why not? It will be infinitely more portable than the combo. I'd rater wait and save up a tiny bit more than to just get something "now" that has long term disadvantages.




A half stack is more portable than a combo?

What is a long term disadvantage of owning a 6505 combo vs. half stack?

You even said a combo is the same as a half stack in that little paragraph you wrote.

Quit making dumb arguments.
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