Poll: Flight 93 Memorial
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Leave the memorial as is
36 71%
Change to a different design
15 29%
Voters: 51.
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#1
Ok, so I live about half an hour from the site were Flight 93 came down in Somerset, Pennsylvania (please leave your 9/11 conspiricies to yourself). Now I can't quite find a picture on Google, but there is quite a local (and even further) debate over what it looks like. See, the current one (I believe it's already built) is in the shape of a C-like crescent, and some find this as a reminder of Islam. I know it's outragous to alienate a whole religion, but it's not me that is arguing. Then again, I can see where the familes of the victims are coming from. So, UG, what do you think? Poll should be up in a few.
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#3
i think we should stop making everything a freakin memorial. we already have like 5 other memorials from that day. geez everything in this country is eventually gonna be one big memorial. that oughta give ozzy plenty to piss on
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#4
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(please leave your 9/11 conspiricies to yourself)


Okay, I'll try, but...

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Now I can't quite find a picture on Google


hmm...

As far as I know they didn't find a fuselage, engines, wings...you know, airplane parts on site.

Hmm...


I think we should instead have a memorial for American Democracy.
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#5
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As far as I know they didn't find a fuselage, engines, wings...you know, airplane parts on site.

Hmm...


I think we should instead have a memorial for American Democracy.

I meant I couldn't find a picture of the memorial.
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Okay, I'll try, but...


hmm...

As far as I know they didn't find a fuselage, engines, wings...you know, airplane parts on site.

Hmm...


I think we should instead have a memorial for American Democracy.

well youre not gonna find enough of the dang thing intact to tell what it is, the thing blew up. there were parts on the site the conspiracy starts when some nut says "but they is no proof that they are the wings, engines ect..."well duh when a vehicle that big with that much fuel hits th ground at a speed like that you aint gonna find anything but metal
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#7
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Okay, I'll try, but...

As far as I know they didn't find a fuselage, engines, wings...you know, airplane parts on site.


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#8
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As far as I know they didn't find a fuselage, engines, wings...you know, airplane parts on site.

Well, it hit the ground really fast and hard, and when airplanes do that, they disintegrate. Look at pictures of any severe crash involving an airliner (a fully fueled one at that, it was going to California correct?) and you won't find anything recognizable.

What I have trouble buying is the official story of how the plane that hit the Pentagon bounced off the grass and then went up into the side of the building, but left no marks on the grass.

I'm not saying that proves anything, I'm saying there are a lot of things they lied about. I don't know what they would gain by lying about how that plane bounced off the ground, it just seems like the Bush Administration instinctively lies about everything, whether it would help them or not. If I went through life lying about everything I could think of, nobody would take me seriously.

In fact, only about 32% of everyone I met would think I was a good person


Anyway, I don't really give a **** about memorials. They should leave that up to the victims' families, I think.
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Well, it hit the ground really fast and hard, and when airplanes do that, they disintegrate. Look at pictures of any severe crash involving an airliner (a fully fueled one at that, it was going to California correct?) and you won't find anything recognizable.


Jet fuel can't vaporize a passenger jet. Wings, engines, seats, and parts of the fuselage would be scattered along the scene.
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#10
having memorials and stuff to events like 9/11 is stupid. By doing so you are only remembering the death that happened. In my eyes thats exactly what the terrorists want. doing nothing would be better imo because that way its business as usual.
#11
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having memorials and stuff to events like 9/11 is stupid. By doing so you are only remembering the death that happened. In my eyes thats exactly what the terrorists want. doing nothing would be better imo because that way its business as usual.


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#12
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Because it was there fault they were in the buildings that were hit

No it wasn't. Point please.
#14
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Okay, I'll try, but...


hmm...

As far as I know they didn't find a fuselage, engines, wings...you know, airplane parts on site.

Hmm...


I think we should instead have a memorial for Chinese Democracy.

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#15
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having memorials and stuff to events like 9/11 is stupid. By doing so you are only remembering the death that happened. In my eyes thats exactly what the terrorists want. doing nothing would be better imo because that way its business as usual.


"That's exactly what the terrorists want." Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

I'm against memorials as well, but this statement just got me going. If "the terrorists" were to referr to an actual person or group of people, I can guarantee the last thing they want is a bunch of crying Americans, because crying Americans are too busy crying to withdrawl their troops from the mid east.

So, who are "the terrorists?" Nope, not those faceless and nameless turban-wearing soldiers that the media so demonizes on TV. Perhaps the real terrorists are the ones who remind you of how scared you should be.
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#16
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"That's exactly what the terrorists want." Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

I'm against memorials as well, but this statement just got me going. If "the terrorists" were to referr to an actual person or group of people, I can guarantee the last thing they want is a bunch of crying Americans, because crying Americans are too busy crying to withdrawl their troops from the mid east.

So, who are "the terrorists?" Nope, not those faceless and nameless turban-wearing soldiers that the media so demonizes on TV. Perhaps the real terrorists are the ones who remind you of how scared you should be.

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...I think not.
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#17
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well youre not gonna find enough of the dang thing intact to tell what it is, the thing blew up. there were parts on the site the conspiracy starts when some nut says "but they is no proof that they are the wings, engines ect..."well duh when a vehicle that big with that much fuel hits th ground at a speed like that you aint gonna find anything but metal


Look up on google a picture of a plane crash and post it on here. I can almost 100% guarantee that there is a lump of metal left of atleast an engine if not more. They're designed not to completly blow up coz then there'd be no chance of surviviors, doesn't look good on safety records. Also, jet fuel doesn't reach a high enough temperature for enough time to melt an entire plane. It's not a conspiracy, it's fact, metal takes a high sustained temperature, a plane=a lot of metal.
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#18
[quote="'[x"]Huffy[x]']ZOMG, TIME MAGAZIN DUN TEH TWIN TOWERZ!!1!11oneone//1!


...I think not.

Can you be mature for a few seconds?
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#19
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Jet fuel can't vaporize a passenger jet. Wings, engines, seats, and parts of the fuselage would be scattered along the scene.


Which is why, in this plane crash in Russia, so much of the plane is intact.




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#20
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Look up on google a picture of a plane crash and post it on here. I can almost 100% guarantee that there is a lump of metal left of atleast an engine if not more. They're designed not to completly blow up coz then there'd be no chance of surviviors, doesn't look good on safety records. Also, jet fuel doesn't reach a high enough temperature for enough time to melt an entire plane. It's not a conspiracy, it's fact, metal takes a high sustained temperature, a plane=a lot of metal.

No one cares about your conspiracy . That's not what this thread is about. The thread is about the memorial, not the event.
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#21
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No one cares about your conspiracy . That's not what this thread is about. The thread is about the memorial, not the event.


It's not a conspiracy, I couldn't give two ****s about whether it was Afghanis, Americans or Aliens, the fact is a plan cannot just disappear when it crashes.


EDIT: yea they probably should change is just coz somone will no doubt make a massive fuss about it on the news.
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#22
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Can you be mature for a few seconds?

1. No. Its not my style.
2. I think your comment about the media/the government being the real terrorists is ridiculous. You sound like a fucking Michael Moore wannabe. Al-qaeda carried out 9/11, thus they are the real terrorists.
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#23
[quote="'[x"]Huffy[x]']1. No. Its not my style.
2. I think your comment about the media/the government being the real terrorists is ridiculous. You sound like a fucking Michael Moore wannabe.
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#24
[quote="'[x"]Huffy[x]']1. No. Its not my style.
2. I think your comment about the media/the government being the real terrorists is ridiculous. You sound like a fucking Michael Moore wannabe.

And you sound like a 12 year old kid. Who is really terrorizing the public? The people who seemingly plot these events, or the people who keep you on edge and paranoid about getting hurt?

And to the Russian plane crash guy: Can I see the article you found those pictures in?
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#25
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And you sound like a 12 year old kid. Who is really terrorizing the public? The people who seemingly plot these events, or the people who keep you on edge and paranoid about getting hurt?

And to the Russian plane crash guy: Can I see the article you found those pictures in?

dude you sound like the paranoid one. get pills
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#26
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And you sound like a 12 year old kid. Who is really terrorizing the public? The people who seemingly plot these events, or the people who keep you on edge and paranoid about getting hurt?

And to the Russian plane crash guy: Can I see the article you found those pictures in?

well, let me put it even simpler for you, okay?

WITHOUT 9/11, WHICH AL-QAEDA CARRIED OUT, THE MEDIA WOULDN'T MAKE US PARANOID. THUS AL-QAEDA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THIS.

Sure, the media is exacerbating things, but you can't blame them for 9/11. Thats fucking ridiculous.

Note: For the record, I'm 16. And you sir, sound like a balding 40 year-old who lives in his parents basement watching Loose Change and Fahrenheit 9/11 over and over again. Get some fucking Temazipan down your neck and chill out! Thankyou for your time.
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#27
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WITHOUT 9/11, WHICH AL-QAEDA CARRIED OUT, THE MEDIA WOULDN'T MAKE US PARANOID. THUS AL-QAEDA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THIS.

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And to the Russian plane crash guy: Can I see the article you found those pictures in?

And yea, here http://travel.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/world/europe/23plane.html
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And yea, here http://travel.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/world/europe/23plane.html


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#29
Isn't that plane in the Russian article like really small compared to the one on 9/11. (I'm not trying to prove anything, I know nothing of plane sizes, I'm just curious).

To the guy who said that Al Quaeda did it, is there actually proof of that? Again, this has nothing to do with conspiricies, I'm actualy curious coz I never really paidd much attention when it was happening.
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#30
[quote="'[x"]Huffy[x]']well, let me put it even simpler for you, okay?

WITHOUT 9/11, WHICH AL-QAEDA CARRIED OUT, THE MEDIA WOULDN'T MAKE US PARANOID. THUS AL-QAEDA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THIS.

Sure, the media is exacerbating things, but you can't blame them for 9/11. Thats fucking ridiculous.

Note: For the record, I'm 16. And you sir, sound like a balding 40 year-old who lives in his parents basement watching Loose Change and Fahrenheit 9/11 over and over again. Thankyou for your time.

And you still sound like a 12-year-old, regurgitating what mommy and daddy shove down your throat without looking at the facts. There is absolutely no way that the events of 9/11 could have happened if the United States didn't let them happen. Now the state has the means to do just about anything they want (Military Commissions Act, Patriot Act) and that includes destroying your civil liberties. I didn't once blame the media for 9/11, I do recognize them as terrorists by definition.

Oh, and for the record, I'm 16, not 40, and I've never seen Fahrenheit 9/11.

That Russian plane crash was... damn. 169 dead, must have been a nasty impact. That plane really split in to pieces, but you can see at least one engine in the picture I found. No engines were found at the flight 93 crash, or the pentagon.
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#31
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And you still sound like a 12-year-old, regurgitating what mommy and daddy shove down your throat without looking at the facts. There is absolutely no way that the events of 9/11 could have happened if the United States didn't let them happen. Now the state has the means to do just about anything they want (Military Commissions Act, Patriot Act) and that includes destroying your civil liberties. I didn't once blame the media for 9/11, I do recognize them as terrorists by definition.

Oh, and for the record, I'm 16, not 40, and I've never seen Fahrenheit 9/11.

That Russian plane crash was... damn. 169 dead, must have been a nasty impact. That plane really split in to pieces, but you can see at least one engine in the picture I found. No engines were found at the flight 93 crash, or the pentagon.


There was actually an engine found atthe pentagon. What report did you read?
#32
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There was actually an engine found atthe pentagon. What report did you read?


There was a small piece of an engine.
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#34
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And you still sound like a 12-year-old, regurgitating what mommy and daddy shove down your throat without looking at the facts. There is absolutely no way that the events of 9/11 could have happened if the United States didn't let them happen. Now the state has the means to do just about anything they want (Military Commissions Act, Patriot Act) and that includes destroying your civil liberties. I didn't once blame the media for 9/11, I do recognize them as terrorists by definition.

Oh, and for the record, I'm 16, not 40.

1. "Mommy", "Daddy" and I live in the UK, and "Mommy and Daddy" couldn't give two fucks about America. Therefore the only opinion I state is my own.

2. I really don't understand how you could state that its the USA's fault. How did they "let it happen"? They had no way of knowing those atrocities were going to happen. Al-Qaeda plotted and carried out 9/11. Yes, the media exacerbated things, and to a certain extent, could be labelled "Terrorists", but, correct me if I'm wrong here...the media has always been that way.
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#36
Am I the only one that just kinda finds it odd the a plane can fly into a tower, and bring it down. Yet it can fly into the Pentagon and make a hole about 10 feet wide Am I missing something.
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#37
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Am I the only one that just kinda finds it odd the a plane can fly into a tower, and bring it down. Yet it can fly into the Pentagon and make a hole about 10 feet wide Am I missing something.


The plane didn't actually hit into the Pentagon. The hole was created from the forward landing gear being carried through the wall.
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I think we should instead have a memorial for American Democracy.



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#39
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And you still sound like a 12-year-old, regurgitating what mommy and daddy shove down your throat without looking at the facts. There is absolutely no way that the events of 9/11 could have happened if the United States didn't let them happen. Now the state has the means to do just about anything they want (Military Commissions Act, Patriot Act) and that includes destroying your civil liberties. I didn't once blame the media for 9/11, I do recognize them as terrorists by definition.

Oh, and for the record, I'm 16, not 40, and I've never seen Fahrenheit 9/11.

That Russian plane crash was... damn. 169 dead, must have been a nasty impact. That plane really split in to pieces, but you can see at least one engine in the picture I found. No engines were found at the flight 93 crash, or the pentagon.

you're 16, lemme tell ya a little something about life...youknow nothing about life yet. stop talking about issues that are larger than you can handle. i doubt very seriously you have even looked into this, you just want to puff yourself up and look all big for the forums. its no conspiracy, get over it
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#40
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BTW:



That's the memorial, doesn't look like the Islamic crescent to me.

HAHAHA this is what we are fighting over. that sucks, let it stay. there shouldnt even be any thought over contreversy with somehting like this
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