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#1
Ok, so i've narrowed my search down to the final two guitars.

Kramer Jersey Star

Pro's:
Floyd Rose
Humbuckers

Con's:
Floyd Rose
Not as easy to get hold of
Already got two guitars with humbuckers.

or

Fender Deluxe Strat

Pro's:
Single Coils, never had them before.
Trem
Nice looker
Cheaper

Con's:
Probably will be hard to find, as i would rather play one first.
Maybe not as suied to my styles.

I'll be playing through a Marshall tube of some form, probably a DSL. I play anything from Blues and Classic Rock to Metal (mainly 80's) and Punk.

Basically i would like to hear from anyone who's played either of these and anyone who would like share their opinion.

Cheers.
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Epiphone EDS-1275
Epiphone Les Paul
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Peavey Delta Blues
#2
I like the Kramer
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#3
id go with the fender


those deluxe strats are nice

lol at

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#4
He means the tuning restrictions and the amazingness of the trem arm i expect
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#5
no i know that


i just thought it was funny


cause i used to have an rg with a floyd
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#6
you can get the jersey star in sound control... so it's not that hard to get hold of.

to be honest, though:

why have you narrowed them down to those two? I mean, they're quite different. I'm not pointing fingers or anything, I'm the most indecisive person in the world, and change my mind as to what guitar I want more often than I have cooked dinners, lol. But I'm just saying- if you only have it narrowed down to those two, you should probably go and try a bunch of random guitars... even if you think you won't like them. At worst, it'll reinforce what you already think, and tell you that you were right not to be looking at them...

What's your current rig? I assume by what you said that you haven't bought the amp yet?

There are more amp companies than just marshall, y'know?

Also, are you willing to import a guitar from outside the UK?

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#7
I like the fender Idea, but I wouldn't narrow your amp down to a Marshall, depending on how much you are willing to spend, a semi cheap option would be to get a Blues Jr. With a Tubescreamer, that is a very nice combo
#8
Currently, i'm playing an Epi LP and a Schecter C-1+ through a roland cube 60.

I'd rather not import a guitar but i'm not too fussed.

I thought these two, because i either stick to what i know i like ('buckers) , in this case Kramer, or go in a totally different direction with the strat.

I don't know what it is about Marshall, but everytime i hear them, i love them. Don't ask me why because i wouldn't be able to tell you.
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#9
yeah, i get what you're saying, it's just there are millions of guitars with buckers, and likewise with single coils, y'know?

do you have anything with a locking trem (or do you want one?)?
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#10
I don't currently. Both my guitars are tremless, the Lp being ToM and the Schecter being String- thru.

However, i have been messing around with my brothers Ibanez for quite some time, and i'm having fun with the trem. Through time, i'd probably get to use it more, as i'm into 80's, specifically Maiden, quite hugely.

And i really don't know what it is about strats, i just like them.
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#11
yep, it's pretty hard to describe why you like things sometimes...

I guess just try them both, head to head if at all possible, and see which you prefer. And try as many similar models as well which are a similar price, just in case there's one you've missed...
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#12
Will do.
Cheers Dave.
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#13
Have you thought about a Jackson maybe? what price are you looking to spend £400-£550?

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/dk2s/1245

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#14
Yeah it would be around that price area.

To be honest i've never played a Jackson, they've just never stood out enough for me.
What's the neck like on them? Because they seem to be similar to Ibanez, style wise, and i detest Ibanez necks.

On a side note, Peavey Windsor. Any thoughts?
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Epiphone Les Paul
Schecter C-1+
Peavey Delta Blues
#15
yeah, jackson necks are generally similar to ibanez. a little thicker. you'd need to try them.

peavey windsor is nice if you don't need cleans... though in the UK you can get a laney gh50L for very little more, and that'd be definitely worth a try too.
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#16
I'd probably need cleans actually. I'm looking along the lines of a classic rock sound, think Boston, Whitesnake, Bad Company, Deep Purple. 80's metal/rock, GnR especially, Priest, Bon Jovi. Earlier rock, Zep, Hendrix, Chuck Berry. Modernish rock, Rhcp, Foo Fighters. Blues, Clapton, BB King. Anything and everything in between those lines. Your probably looking at nothing heavier than Maiden or Ozzy.

You seem to know your stuff Dave, work your magic.

EDIT: I don't absolutely need a half-stack. I'd probably prefer a combo, however i'm not overly fussed. I would really prefer tubes, as i've never had them before. Price range is to be around the £500 mark. Going over that would be taking some out of the guitar fund, so please bare that in mind.
Gear:
Gibson Les Paul Custom
Epiphone EDS-1275
Epiphone Les Paul
Schecter C-1+
Peavey Delta Blues
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#17
i'd have thought probably the windsor (watch the cleans though, you'd need to try it) or laney gh50l to be honest (i haven't tried the gh, to be honest, you'd definitely be advised to try in case I'm way off)...

might as well try a dsl too... problem is the head generally sounds better than the combo, which increases the price (in the case of the dsl), while those other two aren't available in combo form...

possibly try a laney vc30 too? though it might not be modern enough. and i guess it wouldn't hurt to try a valveking...

problem is, £500 is kinda in-between... to get to the nicer amps you generally have to make the jump to more like £700-£800, while you can get amps as nice as those £500 ones (assuming you don't need too heavy tones) for around £300...



I've probably missed some obvious ones there too.
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#18
As far as i go, i listen to some modern stuff, i just don't play it.

As much as i'd like to shell out more money on an amp, i would like to keep some money for guitar. Both my current axes are around the £300 mark and i think it's time i got something a little snazzier, which normally means paying more.

I'll definitely try the Windsor and the DSL. Don't know weather i'll be able to find a laney. I've read alot about ENGL's recently. Anything worth looking into?
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Epiphone Les Paul
Schecter C-1+
Peavey Delta Blues
#19
yeah engls are nice, but they're a bit over your budget... the cheapest one, the thunder (which i can't personally recommend as I haven't tried it) is at least £500... the blackmore would be sweet for what you want, but it's like £700-£800, the footswitch is extra, and you'd need a cab too (which is a minimum of about £200 for a decent 2x12)... plus when you hit the £700-£800 mark you have a couple of other options, too...

I'd say it's worth getting to try that laney vc30 to be honest, if at all possible- it might do exactly what you want, for £300.

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#20
Thanks, i'll definitely try the VC-30.

You don't happen to know if Peavey do a nice 2x12 do you?

EDIT: Say i were to go up to £800. What sort of thing would i be looking for? I say that because i may just be able to find something in that area used, so it'd fit in my budget.
Sorry to pester you like this.
Gear:
Gibson Les Paul Custom
Epiphone EDS-1275
Epiphone Les Paul
Schecter C-1+
Peavey Delta Blues
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#21
not that i'm aware of... the framus 2x12 for £200 generally seems to be the best value 2x12 on the market (in europe), though I haven't tried it...
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#22
Cheers, i'll look into that.
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Epiphone Les Paul
Schecter C-1+
Peavey Delta Blues
#23
I think i've decided on a possible line-up, after Dave's suggestions plus everyone else's who has helped me.

Fender Mexican Standard Strat - £326 (www.thomann.de)
Laney GH50L - £400 (www.gak.co.uk)
Framus FR212 CB - £203 (www.thomann.de)
Head>Cab cable £8 (www.gak.co.uk)

coming to a grand total of £937 plus delivery from Gak.

Of course the Amp and Guitar are both subject to change should i not like them.

Big thanks to Dave and everyone else.
Gear:
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Epiphone Les Paul
Schecter C-1+
Peavey Delta Blues
#24
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I think i've decided on a possible line-up, after Dave's suggestions plus everyone else's who has helped me.

Fender Mexican Standard Strat - £326 (www.thomann.de)
Laney GH50L - £400 (www.gak.co.uk)
Framus FR212 CB - £203 (www.thomann.de)
Head>Cab cable £8 (www.gak.co.uk)

coming to a grand total of £937 plus delivery from Gak.

Of course the Amp and Guitar are both subject to change should i not like them.

Big thanks to Dave and everyone else.

Get the Mexi Strat off GAK, it's cheaper.
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#25
get a blade, it's better.

or tokai/edwards. though that'll up the price on the guitar a bit. I just don't think fenders are that great value in the UK, those MIM's go for the equivalent of £200 in the US...

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#26
See, i saw an ad for Blades a while back in total guitar and i thought they looked very nice indeed. Although i wouldn't be sure where to get one because i haven't seen one anywhere local.

Value isn't really a problem as far as i'm concerned. As selfish as this may sound my parents are paying for all this and i may aswell take advantage while i still can. :P
Gear:
Gibson Les Paul Custom
Epiphone EDS-1275
Epiphone Les Paul
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Peavey Delta Blues
#27
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Get the Mexi Strat off GAK, it's cheaper.


Actually, it isn't. it's £290. On top of that is £50 for the sunburst, which i personally love and a delivery charge, which won't be less than £6. Totaling £346.
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Gibson Les Paul Custom
Epiphone EDS-1275
Epiphone Les Paul
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Peavey Delta Blues
#28
^ Mine was. But it's a solid colour.
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#29
Aye. It's a matter of opinion really. I still don't understand how a sunburst justifies £50 extra mind. I can appreciate that it takes more work to do but it surely can't be £50's worth of work.

EDIT: I like you strat. It's my second choice colour. Is there anything i really should look out for that's a major fault? Because i read your mod thread briefly and couldn't help but wonder if the volume pot is a common problem?
Gear:
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Epiphone EDS-1275
Epiphone Les Paul
Schecter C-1+
Peavey Delta Blues
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#30
I'd take the Jersey star (as a Sambora fan), although I reckon there are plenty of other choices. I mean, it's essentially a hair metal guitar with humbuckers and a floyd. You could probably get an ibanez prestige for that, although there's something quite alluring about the Kramer... The amps reccomended sound pretty cool, certainly the GH50l. The only other thing I'd throw in there is an orange rocker 30, and if you're stretching to £800, a JVM combo, a few different ENGLs (I don't know anything about these), a used jcm800 and maybe a used orange ad30 combo.
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#31
I'm a Sambora fan aswell. I just thought that the Strat would benefit my playing more. I see no point in sticking to humbuckers all the time.
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Gibson Les Paul Custom
Epiphone EDS-1275
Epiphone Les Paul
Schecter C-1+
Peavey Delta Blues
#32
If you're into 80s then I think you should buy yourself a guitar from the 80s. I can't believe how many times I have to recommend this but once you've tried one, there's no going back
Stuff like old Peavey Nitro, Vandenburg/Pacer and Charvel Model 4/5 etc. but if it's still out of those 2, I'd go for the Strat.

Oh, and that seems like a pretty cool setup with the Laney
#33
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See, i saw an ad for Blades a while back in total guitar and i thought they looked very nice indeed. Although i wouldn't be sure where to get one because i haven't seen one anywhere local.

Value isn't really a problem as far as i'm concerned. As selfish as this may sound my parents are paying for all this and i may aswell take advantage while i still can. :P


true, but i mean you might as well get as nice a guitar as possible...

http://www.scvlondononline.co.uk/dealers_1.shtml

i'm not saying to buy one, necessarily, but they're bound to be worth a try, if there's a dealer halfway close at all.
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#34
Bummer, there's no dealers in the North East of England, what-so-ever.
Gear:
Gibson Les Paul Custom
Epiphone EDS-1275
Epiphone Les Paul
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Peavey Delta Blues
#35
garg, that sucks. northern ireland is useless for gear, and even i have a dealer about 30 miles away...

have you got any tokai dealers nearby?
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#36
Yes, or at least they were before, don't know weather they still are but i've played a tokai in there before. But i didn't really get time to get a feel for it, plus i was unexperienced.
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#37
only problem with tokai is you can't really get them any more (the MIJ fender copies)... i think fender has drafted them in to make their japanese instruments. but if you can find one, they're very nice guitars.

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#38
Ok, cheers. I'll keep my eyes open. My guitar teacher knows most dealers around so i can probably pull some strings and get hold of one.

Would i be right in thinking the Japanese Fenders are considered the top ones with American being second and Mexican third?
Gear:
Gibson Les Paul Custom
Epiphone EDS-1275
Epiphone Les Paul
Schecter C-1+
Peavey Delta Blues
#39
i think the japanese ones can generally compete on an even playing field with the MIA ones... sometimes they artificially handicap them with crap electronics etc. so the US ones sell better...
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#40
Ah right. Thanks for clearing that up.
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