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#1
I'm horrible at writing a decent bass line. I can't do it for the life of me. I need tips. I need some way to make this easier. All I could come up with was this.

G-|--11--9----9---------------9-----|
D-|---------11----11----11---------|
A-|---------------------9-------------|
E-|------------------------------------|

Is that any good?
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#2
I honestly cant hear what your trying to do. If it's supposed to be pop punkish something do it as is 8th notes in 5/4ths (just two eighth notes rest after the lick).
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#3
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E-|-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-----|

Maybe you should start out like this

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#4
G-6---6---6--8----8----8--/10----10-------10---11--------11-------11---|
D--88--88--8--66--66--6-------11-11---11-11---11---11-11---11-11---11-|
A------------------------------------------------------------------|
E------------------------------------------------------------------|

G-10--------10---------10----8-----8---8--6-----------------------------|
D-----11-11----11-11----11---66---66--6-8-----------------------------|
A------------------------------------------------------------------|
E------------------------------------------------------------------|


Sorry

Like The Angel, my favourite bass part of a song...

If it's just a pop-punk song just play root notes to the song and then spice it up a lil.
#5
Stick to the roots, baby. That's what it's all about.

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D-|--------------------------|
A-|--------------------------|
E-|-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0|
#6
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Stick to the roots, baby. That's what it's all about.

G-|--------------------------|
D-|--------------------------|
A-|--------------------------|
E-|-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0|



I HATE YOU. Bassplaying is not only about playing roots. There are a lot more notes in a scale dude. Yes: you should play roots now and then. But dude... you have got lot of frets, I am sure you can think of like riffs or something. Or roots with fills in it!

tss... bassplaying isn;t only about playing the roots.
#7
^ If you knew anything about Lendorav, he's being sarcastic. He's a Geezer Butler fanboy, for crying out loud, he ain't gonna mean it. But he has a point. If you suck at writing basslines, what's the point in trying? Just play the root, throw in a few fills here and there.

As I've said before to you, there is such a thing as overcomplication.
#8
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^ If you knew anything about Lendorav, he's being sarcastic. He's a Geezer Butler fanboy, for crying out loud, he ain't gonna mean it. But he has a point. If you suck at writing basslines, what's the point in trying? Just play the root, throw in a few fills here and there.

As I've said before to you, there is such a thing as overcomplication.
...like I said in my post: there is more than root notes.

But can the threadmaker be more specific about what the band has already made for lines. That would make stuff a lot easier for you. If the drum already has parts play with him. If the guitar has a riff, play with him. etc etc.

Or roots with fills in it!

I said that you see
#9
The best way to start is to play roots but add leading notes (notes that make lead to the changes in the guitar chords).

Example:

If this is the riff your guitarist is playing:

|--------------------------------------------|
|--------------------------------------------|
|--------------------------------------------|
|--------------------------------------------|
|-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2--7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-|
|-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0--5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-|

you could play:

|-------------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------------|
|-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-4-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-1-|

This makes the chord changes more subtle and not as harsh to the listener (it's a simple example I know, but its an easy start). From there you can start adding fills, or play arpeggios of the chord (or alternate between note and octave of the chord the guitar is playing).

Hope this helps.
#10
^sometimes roots work, sometimes more complicated stuff works.

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#11
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I HATE YOU. Bassplaying is not only about playing roots. There are a lot more notes in a scale dude. Yes: you should play roots now and then. But dude... you have got lot of frets, I am sure you can think of like riffs or something. Or roots with fills in it!

tss... bassplaying isn;t only about playing the roots.




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And threadstarter be more specific. Do you just have trouble coming up with original and good sounding melodies or writing basslines for riffs and chord progressions?
#12
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^sometimes roots work, sometimes more complicated stuff works.

Stop pretending you're better then anyone else cause your not


Sorry was that directed at me?

#13
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Sorry was that directed at me?



I guess it was directed at me. But I am not saying I am better... I just don't see the point in only playing root notes, so I try to do other things. I don't see how that can be interpreted as me saying I am better. We just like other things in bassplaying.
#14
exactly. I was confused cos i thought it was bout me. Dont worry mate, Im pretty sure most UG bassists would agree with us. Root notes just get boring.
#15
They only suggested root notes because this guy didn't know how to write music.

Nobodies going to go full speed writing amasing basslines when they first start writing music.
#16
do something cool+root notes:
G------------------------------------9/11-----
D--------------------------------11-----------
A----------------------------------------------
E-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0--------------
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#17
Um hey guys sorry. Um my band actually is a very diverse band. This particular song has a lot of sythn and is very up beat. But yea i acually play this line with the drums so the beat to it is a tad different then just playing it how i wrote it. I was just wondering if this line was any good at all, cause when i very first started playing I made root note basslines and that was it. but a month or two after that i realised that wasnt bass playing. I just want to make one of those catchy basslines where your like, "man do you hear that bass!?!". Any tips? Sorry if i caused anyone to be angry towards me or anyone else by making this topic
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#18
Personally I always start with roots to get the hang of/groove/timing/whatever of the song, then I see if there is space to work something, then I build a counter melody or groove depending of how much space I have to work with. It's about the song.
#19
It depends how much knowledge you actually have for writing and all that.

Personally, to me it SOUNDS LIKE you're trying to write without much knowledge in terms of theory and all of that. But please keep in mind that it's just my assumption.

My advice would be to basically learn a few scales, and get a feel for basic theory and all that. From there, give all of your favorite bass players' riffs a look over, and use them as examples and building blocks for your own style.

Missed your last post.

Well to make it catchy, it really just has to flow with the song. It's really hard for me to help without hearing the whole song, or even being in your shoes.

I think you just need to keep playing around with things. But I find the most catchy bass lines are usually simple, but really stand out and move the song at the same time.
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#20
I prescribe some theory.
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#21
The way i expand my writting ability is by learning a few songs on bass, aswell as on a normal 6 string, that way you can feel the difference / simmilarities between the guitars and the notes played, and from there you can get a feel for both worlds and in the long run make your basslines more complex and to some degree over take the technicality of the lead guitar.

I know this probally won't seem like the way to go for a lot of people, but it can help with writting some rather complex and amazing sounding bass riffs and lines.

But alot of the time root notes fit into a song better, complex bass riffs can sometimes take away from the song and the work from the other guitarists in the band (not that thats a bad thing the bassists need some attention too lol).
#22
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Personally I always start with roots to get the hang of/groove/timing/whatever of the song, then I see if there is space to work something, then I build a counter melody or groove depending of how much space I have to work with. It's about the song.


That is exactly how I usually work on bass. Not often I just "hear something" in my head that I can drop straight in. I build from the ground up... and sometimes all you need is a concrete floor.

As long as you know the song structure, get a feel for the song and know how to play bass, the world's your oyster.
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#23
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Personally I always start with roots to get the hang of/groove/timing/whatever of the song, then I see if there is space to work something, then I build a counter melody or groove depending of how much space I have to work with. It's about the song.


+1

I assume you're a fairly new bassist and therefor know very little theory. Big tip: learn theory. Once you get familiar with the fretboard the pieces of the puzzle will start falling together. There are plenty tutorials here on UG. Search for Applehead's theory of the month on scales.

BTW what ever happened to Applehead? Haven't seem him for ages.
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#26
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That is exactly how I usually work on bass. Not often I just "hear something" in my head that I can drop straight in. I build from the ground up... and sometimes all you need is a concrete floor.

As long as you know the song structure, get a feel for the song and know how to play bass, the world's your oyster.


I begin when I don't know what to do, by playing with the drums, and from that I try to improvise fills, which might lead to a cool riff or something.
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#28
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+1

I assume you're a fairly new bassist and therefor know very little theory. Big tip: learn theory. Once you get familiar with the fretboard the pieces of the puzzle will start falling together. There are plenty tutorials here on UG. Search for Applehead's theory of the month on scales.

BTW what ever happened to Applehead? Haven't seem him for ages.

I have been playing for about two years, I know major, minor, jewish scales and some modes. But that's just the way I compose, listen to Portrait of Ingrid in my profile that's a composition of mine. O just recorded a new song (Polaris-Prelude) My guitarist was working around some chords so I just came with that strange melody, please rate
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#29
Quote by to_the_grave
exactly. I was confused cos i thought it was bout me. Dont worry mate, Im pretty sure most UG bassists would agree with us. Root notes just get boring.

Yes root notes get boring, but the thing is, unless you're a virtuoso (which I highly doubt), bass playing is not about you and what you find fun to play, it's all about what the song/band need you to play. One or two songs in a set that only requires root notes isn't all that bad, you've still got other songs where you have a little more freedom.

And watchingmefall, I do exactly the same thing as you, I'll play roots to get a feel for the song, then build on it if it needs building.
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#30
LIke others I tend to build on the roots and then go for rhythm and feel.

Another piece of advice that I was given to me recently was not to "over think" bass lines. A tendency to over think can either hold you back in your creative approach or can cause you to pile more into the bass line than is necessary or is needed.

And like anything else, writing bass lines is a skill that you develop over time with practise and trial and error. Much as we would love to be bonked over the head by our particular muse and become authors of brilliant music instantly, its process that develops gradually.
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I HATE YOU. Bassplaying is not only about playing roots. There are a lot more notes in a scale dude. Yes: you should play roots now and then. But dude... you have got lot of frets, I am sure you can think of like riffs or something. Or roots with fills in it!

tss... bassplaying isn;t only about playing the roots.



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#32
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Yes root notes get boring, but the thing is, unless you're a virtuoso (which I highly doubt), bass playing is not about you and what you find fun to play, it's all about what the song/band need you to play. One or two songs in a set that only requires root notes isn't all that bad, you've still got other songs where you have a little more freedom.

And watchingmefall, I do exactly the same thing as you, I'll play roots to get a feel for the song, then build on it if it needs building.


No, I'm in no way a virtuoso. But for me personally, my enjoyment comes before anything else. I get such a kick out of playing bass, that I'd hate to play a song that was a chore.

I do have a few basslines in my band's songs that are mostly roots notes, but those are to anchor the riff while the guitarists do all their twiddly-fiddly stuff. And because I really dig our music, those basslines are still fun. But thats like two basslines in like 8 songs, so Im not bored.
#33
Quote by to_the_grave
No, I'm in no way a virtuoso. But for me personally, my enjoyment comes before anything else. I get such a kick out of playing bass, that I'd hate to play a song that was a chore.

I do have a few basslines in my band's songs that are mostly roots notes, but those are to anchor the riff while the guitarists do all their twiddly-fiddly stuff. And because I really dig our music, those basslines are still fun. But thats like two basslines in like 8 songs, so Im not bored.


+1, I love to play some root notes after are Dream Theater medley But I like to keep the root notes under the 10% of the night. And with root notes I mean like eight notes root patterns.
#34
Quote by to_the_grave
No, I'm in no way a virtuoso. But for me personally, my enjoyment comes before anything else. I get such a kick out of playing bass, that I'd hate to play a song that was a chore.

I do have a few basslines in my band's songs that are mostly roots notes, but those are to anchor the riff while the guitarists do all their twiddly-fiddly stuff. And because I really dig our music, those basslines are still fun. But thats like two basslines in like 8 songs, so Im not bored.

Good, that's what I was trying to say, from your original post I got the impression you were anti-root note bass lines completely.
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#35
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Good, that's what I was trying to say, from your original post I got the impression you were anti-root note bass lines completely.


lol you have to play root notes Even in a normal riff you probably play some
#36
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lol you have to play root notes Even in a normal riff you probably play some

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#37
I love the bass forum...even the flame wars end nicely.

Even when I am playing just roots, I try to play them elsewhere on the neck from where the guitars are playing. For example I'll play an E at the 7th fret of the A string instead of open...just to help spice it up a little.

(These arent the actually notes I play, because my band tunes to Drop-C. But I'll talk in standard so everyone understands me..."C at the 5th fret of the G string instead of open" would throw people off methinks).

So thats my other suggestion...play at a different position to the guitars or alternate between the two (lots of thrash bass players alternate between the open and 7th fret E's to accent riffs).
#38
Quote by to_the_grave
I love the bass forum...even the flame wars end nicely.


Haha, bass players are such chill dudes.


Yeah, spice it up with some octaves. Whenever I am playing a root note line I also like to play it in a rhythm other than straight 8th notes.

Like: q q e e e q e q e e e e
#39
Quote by to_the_grave
The best way to start is to play roots but add leading notes (notes that make lead to the changes in the guitar chords).

Example:

If this is the riff your guitarist is playing:

|--------------------------------------------|
|--------------------------------------------|
|--------------------------------------------|
|--------------------------------------------|
|-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2--7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-|
|-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0--5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-|

you could play:

|-------------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------------|
|-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-4-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-1-|

This makes the chord changes more subtle and not as harsh to the listener (it's a simple example I know, but its an easy start). From there you can start adding fills, or play arpeggios of the chord (or alternate between note and octave of the chord the guitar is playing).

Hope this helps.


That's called adding passing notes...

Quote by to_the_grave
No, I'm in no way a virtuoso. But for me personally, my enjoyment comes before anything else. I get such a kick out of playing bass, that I'd hate to play a song that was a chore.


Just do the punk-emo thing and throw your head violently every quarter/half note, they seem to get some gaint kick out of it.

But yeah, if enjoyment comes first...you probably shouldn't be in a band man. If everyone did what they wanted, you'd have the drumming skitzing, the guitarist and/or keyboardist soloing. The vocalist..well, he'd/she'd probably just keep doing warm-ups, and you'd be left tapping, running some random licks or I dare say slapping.

So yeah, There's no I in team buddy. Woot.
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#40
Quote by recondite11
lol you have to play root notes Even in a normal riff you probably play some


That's like... what we've been trying to tell you from the day you registered.
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