#1
its kind of a beginner question, but is ionian the same as the major scale, because i keep seeing lessons saying ionian (major scale), but some websites show them differently
#2
Yes. Ionian = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Major = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
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#3
Ionian is the modal name for the major scale, just like how the Aeolian scale is the same as the Natural Minor.
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#5
They aren't?

The have Ionian and Major in different places but they show the shapes/notes as the same.

I bet that's just in case someone only knows the major scale as ionian or vice versa.
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#8
No they are not anyone who says they are is stupid! Major is a Scale and Ionian is a mode. For example If a someone told you song is in D major,you still have no idea what the song is going to sound like, because it can be in Ionian, Dorian, or Lydian modes, and still be in the key of D Major! But if Someone told you a song is in the Ionian mode, you have a pretty good idea what it is going to sound like. If a song is in "C major Lydian" The C major part just tells you the notes in the song,but the lydain part gives an idea for the sound!
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No they are not anyone who says they are is stupid! Major is a Scale and Ionian is a mode. For example If a someone told you song is in D major,you still have no idea what the song is going to sound like, because it can be in Ionian, Dorian, or Lydian modes, and still be in the key of D Major! But if Someone told you a song is in the Ionian mode, you have a pretty good idea what it is going to sound like. If a song is in "C major Lydian" The C major part just tells you the notes in the song,but the lydain part gives an idea for the sound!

No, they're the same.

D Ionian is just the modal name for D major. If a song is in D major then it's in D major because it's the chords that define the key....from the looks of it you haven't quite got your head round the concept yet.
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The best way to determine if two scales are similar is by comparing their intervals.
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No they are not anyone who says they are is stupid! Major is a Scale and Ionian is a mode. For example If a someone told you song is in D major,you still have no idea what the song is going to sound like, because it can be in Ionian, Dorian, or Lydian modes, and still be in the key of D Major! But if Someone told you a song is in the Ionian mode, you have a pretty good idea what it is going to sound like. If a song is in "C major Lydian" The C major part just tells you the notes in the song,but the lydain part gives an idea for the sound!

D Major/Ionian (Whichever you want to call it, it's the same tonal center)'s key sig has 2 sharps (F and C). D Dorian is the second mode of C Major, which has 0 sharps and 0 flats. D Lydian is the 4th mode of A Major, which has 3 sharps (F, C, and E). As you can see, none of these are the same. If someone says a song is in D Major, then that means D is the tonal center. If someone tells you a song is in D Mixolydian, then the notes are the same as G Major, but the tonal center is D.
#12
Thank you Vittu, that cleared up a lot for me as well. Jimi, just keep in mind that a major scale is a scale, and modes define what degree of the scale you are starting on. Just try to work things out using the basics. Check out the MT sticky and it explains a lot about modes, scales and keys. There's a ton of info to learn, and it's all summed up in that thread.
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