Poll: can a band portray a message through metal music?
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yes
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#1
this is a question for my english project.
can a metal band still portray a message even though they scream the vocals?
vote yes or no on the poll and post and thoughts u have on the question.
cheers
#3
I don't see why not. People would argue that you can't understand the lyrics, but even for mainstream music you find yourself looking at the lyrics so it's kind of an invalid point.
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#4
yes thats all music is portraying ur messages, letting the world hear what u got to say, doesnt matter what style of music its all the same, i believe evan instrumentals have a feel to them depending on the title you can feel what the musician is trying to convay
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I don't see why not. People would argue that you can't understand the lyrics, but even for mainstream music you find yourself looking at the lyrics so it's kind of an invalid point.



Very very good point.
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#6
Errr. a) Not all metal bands scream, b) Listen to black sabbath, it's almost all poetic stuff, symptom of the universe especially c) yes.
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this thread blows, as the question is pretty silly.

a) of course they can
b) lyrics: that's what the booklet's for
c) general aesthetic and presentation are already part of the message
d) the artistic thought that goes into the music is also a message unto itself.

/thread, end of discussion, whatever. Just bury this puppy

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#8
oi this is a question for an english project, it doesnt matter if its a stupid question i just need an answer and sum evidence to back it up, hence the poll.
my teacher liked the question so im going with it.
#9
but I figure, if you were to do the research seriously, you would listen to some metal bands, look at their lyrics, look at their background, and research some origins behind the lyrics and beliefs [of band members]. You would talk to fans of metal, or something. Either way, this question could be far better worded. In it's current form it is, as I said, is stupid.

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#11
This thread has to of had the dumbest question i have ever heard in my life! Nice one thread starter!
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#13
Quote by samlocke14
i havent got time for all the reaserch so this is all i have atm.
can u suggest better wording then?


the thing is, it's wrong fundamentally... Because clean, non-screaming vocals do not mean automatic portrayal of a message. In fact quite often it highlights the lack of thereof. (yes I'm aware of exceptions).

It shouldn't even be a question. Rather you could examine maybe, how messages in metal music differ from pop or hip-hop... What types of messages exist, and what is pure entertainment and what is ideological expression etc...

YOu've picked such a massive genre, that you can't look at without in-depth study... If you're doing a project on it at least

EDIT: and GuitarSacrifice is right... It's an idiotic question, but I'm a bit more tolerant than a lot of other users on this forum. This time anyway

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#14
thanx man thats realy what i needed, i apretiate it.
i know ive picked a huge genre, ive jumped off the deep end a bit so to speak.
im just hoping i can pull it off.
#15
ummmm, Megadeth?
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#16
Yes.
Go listen to Conquer All by Behemoth. Find the lyrics, which also have an explanation of what inspried the song. Watch some interviews where Nergal talks about what Behemoth is all about (there's a pretty good one here on UG). Check out some other songs and their lyrics.
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#17
Most people seem to disagree with me, but I think that in almost all music, the meaning of the lyrics is not important. I've come across very few songs where I have thought that the message it was expressing was particularly deep or meaingful. I think with music, the atmosphere or feeling that a song creates is more important.

A good example I think is Bohemian Rhapsody; as far as I can tell the lyrics are more or less nonsense, but I has a very strong feeling.
#18
Quote by samlocke14
this is a question for my english project.
can a metal band still portray a message even though they scream the vocals?
vote yes or no on the poll and post and thoughts u have on the question.
cheers


Of course they can.

That doesnt mean they need to have a message. A lot of times, the lyrics dont need a message. For instance, if you think a band like CC really wants monsters to come out of a girls pussy, your either really ****ed up.... or.... CC is all just black humor. It's the human fascination with morbidity.

And Iron Maiden... They mostly do different historical themes.

Besides, not all metal has to 'scream'.

But anyway, Emenius Sleepus made a very, very good point.
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#19
Do your homework by yourself.

Or even better, think for yourself.
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#20
Not every goddamn essay you kids do has to be on Metal.

You all seem to feel like you have this great big burden to explain this genre to everyone and it's meanings. It's like Lemmy or whoever it was on Headbangers Journey, the great thing about this genre is that mainstream doesn't understand it!

I'm going to leave this open for now. But I think the answer is truly obvious. A lyrical theme/a message apparent in the lyrics will not suddenly change because of the use of vocals. It's only a shallow thing. It's like saying that RATM's political messages are irrelevant because he raps/whatever the lyrics. It's just silly.

Ask your questions while you can (while I'm leaving this open).

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#21
Quote by samlocke14
this is a question for my english project.
can a metal band still portray a message even though they scream the vocals?
vote yes or no on the poll and post and thoughts u have on the question.
cheers

You're ignorant of metal. I understand most of the bands' vocals that I listen to, including Nile. Gojira has a great message, and they scream(literally, not hardcore vocals). Their message has to do with the environment and how we treat it, plus they're awesome as hell.
#24
megadeth there the answer to your question
they right songs a bout politics and play metal music
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#25
The majority of metal's lifespan has been intelligible vocals and a strong message.

The only genre with stronger messages is punk, and even then it's close.

Show your teacher any Dream Theater, early Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Nevermore, etc.
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#26
seriously, some of you guys are really overreacting

sure, the question is self-explanatory but you really don't have to kill that poor lad
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#27
two words. CHUCK SCHULDINER.

that's all there is to it. there is no explanation needed.
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seriously, some of you guys are really overreacting

sure, the question is self-explanatory but you really don't have to kill that poor lad


That's what I was thinking.

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#29
Yes.
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#30
You don't need lyrics at all in a song to convey a message, if a songwriter is good enough, at most all he/she needs is a title. Sometimes you can almost feel the songwriters feeling how they felt the time they wrote it, its almost like a transfer of emotion.
#31
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I hope you realize that not all the message of a song is in the lyrics.


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Look at the band Red Sparowes. They're an all instrumental Post Metal band, and they make concept albums.

Their music conveys what the title/concept entails. You get it, if you listen hard enough, too.
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#34
Dauldi Balders- Burzum. is a concept album. it tells a story

and it's ambient. So yes.
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#35
Metal is about the atmosphere of the music, not the lyrics. Growls are meant to be heard as an instrument, not a vessel for words and stories. Good lyrics are just a bonus.
#36
All lyrics should convey a message, unless your some s****y thrash band or a horny rapper
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#37
i voted no because like omg u cant even understand wut ppl r saying when they yell like that itz just dumb u kno?
#38
there is about a 50/50 split of bands that have something they feel needs to be said and bands that say what they feel others need to hear. this doesn't apply to just metal but to all bands/musicians that write their music.

but a message is a message regardless of its content or delivery.

its entirely up to the individual how to interpret that message.

EDIT: +1 to tehzekester for mentioning Gojira. beautiful band filled with people in a good place in life.

EDIT2:
i voted no because like omg u cant even understand wut ppl r saying when they yell like that itz just dumb u kno?
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if someone reads you a page of literature in a language you don't understand, does it mean there is no message?
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#39
Well, for one thing, not all metal bands scream. If they do, well it shouldn't matter, the message should be the same (and is). Some of more high level philosophies come out in metal music, most metal musicians are high level thinkers (beleive it or not). Anyway...stuff.
#40
every band is different when it comes to their approach to lyrics. i rember seeing a mayhem interview where they were describing how black metal bands create a dark atmosphere in their music to relay their lyrics. but in contrast you have bands like cannibl corpse who use horrific lyrics to mesh with the brutality of the music. i think you'll find that every band has a different way of saying what it is they have to say even if it means they dont physically say it.
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