#1
There's been a lot in the gutter press recently, especially following the death of Rhys Jones, about the state of British Youth. At the most extreme end we have (apparently) organised gangs taking part in acts of often cold-blooded violence for no real discernible reason sensible adults can comprehend. Even in rural Britain, disenfranchised youths, often not those coming from lower-income families, find themselves spending most of their time indulging in alcohol and mindless violence. Despite our best efforts, there is very little from a law-and-order point of view that can be done. Even those cases of assault or theft that are reported to the police are prone to leading to nothing, and even the few whereby the police apprehend and charge the "youth" in question, little is done besides counselling and a slapped wrist. From a social point of view, a lot of noise is made about positive role models, but besides a few high-profile cases (Amir Kahn's late night TV show comes to mind) very little seems to be have been done. So what is the UK to do in an attempt to stop the social division that will undoubtedly arise should these "gangs" be allowed to raise their own kids. Will a H.G. Wells style evolutionary "fork in the road" occur. Most definitely not, but a social division akin to the class wars of yore is not a desirable goal.

An education is important. Not an education in citizenship or social values, as these are not the sorts of things I feel schools should be taking upon themselves. But an education that means anyone can make something of themselves. Those that are unsuited, or not disposed towards, learning the complexities of mathematics or theoretical physics are not forced through these hoops, but are given options in a technical education whereby they can learn the skills, academic or otherwise, necessary to pursue a chosen profession. By giving youths a chance to escape from poverty traps we can at least reduce the number of hopeless (in the real sense of the work, having no hope) youths wandering the street. Besides this, we need to offer real intervention when things get out of hand. Full contact with both the offending youth and the parents should b made by a power that has the training to counsel the situation as well as the power to enforce sanctions should the need present itself. It is only through a concerted, socialist minded effort that we are going to stop the social devolution we are seeing in certain sections of society.
#2
There were children's knife gangs in Victorian England too, and a gin panic too. I;d say we've not really changed much. People hark back to the 50's, with that warm beer and cricket thing, but peple in the 50s were deprived, unhealthy and unhappy. The world has always been sh*t.
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#4
My view is that British children are raised up on uncensored violence and bad parenting. Children need disipline. You can't put a child in a corner of a room when he is naughty, you need to install fear and respect into with with a smack (not hard but enough for the kid to know he is being punished for being naughty)
Schools need more disipline, bring back the cane (or at least give them harsher detentions like cleaning the school and stuff).

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There were children's knife gangs in Victorian England too, and a gin panic too. I;d say we've not really changed much. People hark back to the 50's, with that warm beer and cricket thing, but peple in the 50s were deprived, unhealthy and unhappy. The world has always been sh*t.



Exactly. The other my granda was talking about the time he saw a wee lad getting shot with an air rifle - when he was only a kid himself! Things haven't changed at all - we just have more efficient ways of maiming and killing nowadays.
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But hitting them will encourage them to hit others.


Never did for me. My dad slapped me when i was kid for being naughty. I've never hit someone unintentionally unless i've been provoked into a fight.
#8
You do realise this is an extreme minority, right?

I mean, I know it's a problem, but it's not like every child in the UK is going round with a knife looking to stab the next person who looks at them funny, or developing a drinking problem and such
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Never did for me. My dad slapped me when i was kid for being naughty. I've never hit someone unintentionally unless i've been provoked into a fight.


i was brought up getting smacked for doing things wrong! i have never ever wanted to hit anyone.....it's just plain wrong
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i was brought up getting smacked for doing things wrong! i have never ever wanted to hit anyone.....it's just plain wrong
I was brought up getting hit for doing things wrong - or right when they contradicted a parent's beliefs - and I have always wanted to hit everyone. It's just plain right!
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i was brought up getting smacked for doing things wrong! i have never ever wanted to hit anyone.....it's just plain wrong


Me neither...last weekend some guy got off with my girlfriend...I gave him a hug!

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i was brought up getting smacked for doing things wrong! i have never ever wanted to hit anyone.....it's just plain wrong


Same! My first fight was when i was 16! I hated fighting until recently when family events caused my stress levels to get Out of Control....
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Me neither...last weekend some guy got off with my girlfriend...I gave him a hug!

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And by giving a hug you mean choking to death, right?
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Never did for me. My dad slapped me when i was kid for being naughty. I've never hit someone unintentionally unless i've been provoked into a fight.



Yeah, well my discipline was getting the pure ****e beaten outta me by my dad. Not a 'smack'. As a result, my life was ****ed up. Nice! Only I was able to make a difference to my life, no one else. Therefore, it has nothing to do with whether you get smacked as a child or not. It depends on whether you're a ****ing chav or not.
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And by giving a hug you mean choking to death, right?


Nah, a hug...he was a friend

But I felt stupid when I found out he'd done it again the next night
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Yeah, well my discipline was getting the pure ****e beaten outta me by my dad. Not a 'smack'. As a result, my life was ****ed up. Nice! Only I was able to make a difference to my life, no one else. Therefore, it has nothing to do with whether you get smacked as a child or not.


Sorry to hear. That kinda sucks man about your dad.

It depends on whether you're a ****ing chav or not


Not really. I know a few chavs that wouldn't raise a finger towards anyone unless provoked. Drunk or not.
It's because we grow up in a violent society, media on the news shows violence on a good or bad scale, music inspires hate and violence towards younger generations. The thirst to prove themselfs, to be in a gang, is instinct for a teenager, they do this by intimidation and violence....
Also people think crime is getting worse, it's not. It's because crime is getting far more media interest these days via the internet and TV due to faster communications.
In the 1950's you would only hear about a mugging or stabbing in the papers or local radio because TV or internet didnt exist then.
The reason for most of todays violence is lack of disipline due to a PC atmosphere.