#1
I'm just after suggestions for Pups, as I'm finding it hard to tell the difference on the sound clips.

I have a great neck pickup, really warm and thick, but the bridge pickup isn't nice. It's a bit too muddy for me.

I'm going to invest in a Fender Strat for lighter rock to metal, and want the LP to be hard rock/metal.

Coheed & Cambria/Metallica/Disturbed etc.

I currently use a DSL 401, but I'm going to sell it for something with higher gain and that's less than 40watts.

I've been suggested a Warthog from Swineshead before, but I'm still not convinced it will reach high gain levels.

Cheers.
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I currently use a DSL 401, but I'm going to sell it for something with higher gain and that's less than 40watts.

Higher gain, but less watts? Good luck..


Anyway, the Warthog should do what you want..

But keep this in mind, it's mostly the amp, bot the pickups, that will give you the tone you're looking for. There are bands that use vintage output pickups to get their "high gain" br00tal tones.
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Dimarzio Super Distortion, great pickup for a tube amp
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#5
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Higher gain, but less watts? Good luck..


Anyway, the Warthog should do what you want..

But keep this in mind, it's mostly the amp, bot the pickups, that will give you the tone you're looking for. There are bands that use vintage output pickups to get their "high gain" br00tal tones.


Yeah but I've tried my Epi with a few amps and I still don't like the bridge pickup.

Surely I don't have to have deafening levels of wattage to get an amp that can produce hard rock/metal tones?

I know whatever amp I get I'll want a new pickup, so whilst I'm waiting to get paid I'll get the pickup done At least it'll be easier finding an amp, knowing that I already have a good enough pickup rather than the crap I have in it now.
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^ i agree... cornford is the obvious one that springs to mind, but even it's more hard rock than metal. and not exactly cheap.

the warthog will do high gain, as long as your amp can do high gain. if modern high gain is all you want, might be better to look into a venom.

a bareknuckle miracle man would probably be pretty sweet too.
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^ i agree... cornford is the obvious one that springs to mind, but even it's more hard rock than metal. and not exactly cheap.

the warthog will do high gain, as long as your amp can do high gain. if modern high gain is all you want, might be better to look into a venom.

a bareknuckle miracle man would probably be pretty sweet too.


Modern and old. Just wanna be able to make those pinch harmonics squeel

I can on my current pickups, it just doesn't sound crisp enough. For example, when playing both the 12th fret on the E and B strings it sounds muddy. I want it to sound more crisp. It’s hard to put sounds into words!
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#10
A Warthog will be perfect in the bridge, but if you can't tell the differences between the sound clips then you don't really need new pickups. There's every likelihood that you won't be able to hear the difference when they're in your guitar either. Pickups don't make a massive difference, certainly not as much as a different amp or even a pedal. It takes time for your ears to become discerning enough to hear the subtle differences between pickups, and in all honesty the three high-output Swinesheads are all wildly different.
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#11
^ +1

and yeah, sounds like a warthog to me. To be honest, the warthog isn't mega-hot at all. just for some reason gets lumped in with the high output ones. I mean, my JB is (from memory as I'm lazy and haven't rewired in my swinesheads) much hotter than my warthog; ditto my miracle man. I'd say (again on memory) that the warthog is somewhere around paf pro level of distortion? possibly a little hotter than a paf pro, but i don't think it's as hot as a tone zone.

EDIT: the warthog has pretty good harmonics too. just best check with jon @ swineshead to make sure it'll not be too dark or muddy in a LP. it's nice and warm in a basswood, bolt-on maple neck RG, but might be too much in a mahogany set neck, 24.75" scale LP.
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#12
Sorry, when I said I couldn't tell the difference it was mainly sites such as DiMarzio + Seymour Duncan.

I can easily tell the difference between the Venom/Warthog and whatever the last one was!

I just want to be convinced that the Warthog can give me the gain I need.

Think Coheed & Cambria - Welcome Home...
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#13
^ yeah, i know what you mean about the duncan ones.

should do that C&C song ok, but it does depend on your amp.
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^ yeah, i know what you mean about the duncan ones.

should do that C&C song ok, but it does depend on your amp.


Well I'll be getting a new one of those. My DSL401 isn't for me. Not enough gain!

Wierd you said PAF Pro. I'm gonna put one of those in a Strat for rock. Richie Sambora (Bon Jovi) had one in his strat.

So if a Warthog is along the same lines as a PAF Pro, then maybe I need something higher output?
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i think it's a little hotter than a paf pro. I'm going on memory, and even then it wasn't like I a/b'ed them. I'd say, yeah, the warthog is probably more of a hard rock than metal pickup, but you seemed to want versatility?
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#16
Well, to be honest, I want to get the versatility out of my Strat. Richie Sambora tones and also Iron Maiden. I'll stick a hotrail in the bridge maybe.

So thinking about it I can keep the Epiphone for metal. Maybe it's best I just stick some EMG's in there?

I really need to start thinking about an Amp that can bring the best out of these guitars too.
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#17
yeah- to be honest your best bet is to concentrate on the amp first, and then get pickups to fine tune your tone.

bareknuckle or bulldog would be worth a look when you do get round to looking at pickups... something like a miracle man (it's versatile enough to do hard rock; it is more of an 80's-voiced pickup though), painkiller, ceramic warpig (though you'd need to check with BKP to see if any of those is suitable) might be worth a look ...
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#18
Cheers Dave - helpful as usual!

I'll check out BKP then.

Well I'm gonna sell my amp then use the funds to look for a new one.

Lookout for millions of threads on "what amp to get" now ^^
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