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#1
I need some help, so..

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Schecter C-1 Hellraiser:
http://www.schecterguitars.com/index.asp


Ibanez RG1570:
http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=RG1570&c=MRR



OK, simple as - I want to buy one of them. But I can't decide on which..

Advantages
Schecter
  • EMGs (81/85)
  • Original FR
  • Design


Ibanez
  • Edge Pro
  • H-S-H, Versatile Setup
  • Wizard Neck


*** If anyone has a C-1 Schecter Hellraiser FR could they please tell me how the neck is? Or even if they found a link to the dimensions.

Budget:
Really, I have no budget, just around the budget that I have with the two above guitars. Any other recommendations will be appreciated. I don't want some ridiculously priced £1000 guitar.

Music:
I play a lot of metal, but I do like to go clean sometimes. But majority - Metal.

Current Gear:
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VOX AD30VT
BOSS GT8
And my guitars.. Really just an Indie, because I'm selling my Jackson JS30RR

Current Skill:
Well, I play Metal, so I guess your usual 'skill' for that, although I don't sweep-pick or do legato or whatever. I like to have a solid play as much as possible.

And no, I don't feel like buying them used. Also I am to order them online, so trying them out is out of the question.
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#3
The Schecter is a much more beautiful guitar IMO. I have no experience with either, but I would probably get the Schecter.
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#4
There's a crowd of rabid supporters for both of these, both have their cons and pros.

The Schecter and Wizard necks are pretty much polar opposites. The Wizard is thin, flat, and satin-finished, while the Hellraiser neck is massive, not so flat, and painted.
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#5
i dont know about the ibanez but the hellraiser is a really good guitar. it has a really nice(although glossy) c shaped neck, sounds killer (even though you will have to replace the battery once in a while) and looks absolutely sick
#6
the schecter if its like the other schecters ive played has a sticky neck, and its thick. totally different for the wizard neck of the ibanez. for me if i played metal it would be schecter because i like thick necks and i can deal with the stickyness (its not too bad unless you let it get away from you).
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#7
Well im going for a schecter my self.
Well if your into metal emgs will suit u i my self love em.
And the floyd u cant go far wrong with plus live heard some not so great things about the Edge trem. Well the neck isnt the fastes thing on earth however its not so bad and is really Comfy for me. Mate i would just try em both out on a amp like your own cos its all about The tone and feel that would suit you. but myself i would get the schecter mate.
However its up to you good luck mate.
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#8
I don't know if it's just me, or my particular Hellraiser, but I can't really say the neck on mine is very sticky at all. In fact, when I practicing with it, it feels a bit slick.
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#10
imo i like ibanez more

i HATE painted necks

and personally i think emgs are overratted and have no soul...


and i dont like the huge silver bindings on the schecter, i like the nice clean solid look of the ibanez
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#11
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and i dont like the huge silver bindings on the schecter, i like the nice clean solid look of the ibanez
Word on that. I know a few people who have reconsidered buying a hellraiser when they saw it in person. The binding is ridiculous as is, but the Schecter stock pics are an example of very good marketing and don't show it off in all the shine. In person, in my opinion, the outfit of that guitar looks gaudy and cheap like a preening hooker.

Your mileage may vary, of course.
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#12
Thanks a lot guys.

Anyone possibly got alternative models of Ibanez or Schecter that would be just as good?

Right now it's 3 Ibanez - 6 Schecter

EDIT: My Indie has a fairly wide neck and is also painted, so would it be any disadvantage if I changed to a thinner non-painted neck?
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#13
Well, consider that the RG is Japanese, and the Schecter is Korean. The RG has a lush molded hardcase tossed into the deal.

Also, consider Edge Pro and OFR. The former is a low profile trem, while the latter isn't. If you're a fan of palm muting, you would probably want a low profile machine if only for the ergonomics.

I'd be getting something with passive pickups, since I'm one of those people who can't get most of their favourite tones from the 81/85. Your mileage may vary, but truth be told, your amp isn't really conductive to the signature EMG sound.

Edit: to your edit, I doubt it. It's changing the other way around which usually hurts.
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#14
Ibanez.

The wizard neck is quite nice. I've tried a schecter (not necessarily this) for a second and just didnt like it.

The 7 string schecter i tried was ok, but im sure id like an ibanez rg1570 version better. (i have an Ibanez RG2570E; roughly the same as the 1570 but with different hardware/finish).
#15
you could always get the black schecter hellraiser if you don't like the flashy silver lining. If I had the money, I would probably get the Ibanez and put different pickups in it. As it is right now though I would get the schecter.
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#16
Do you have the ability to go try out these guitars? The best one is the one that feels best to you.
#17
I hate EMGs but the Schecter is a far better guitar.
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#18
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I hate EMGs but the Schecter is a far better guitar.
care to mention why? I thought EMGs were its only objective advantage.
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#19
You really can't test the guitars? i had a very similar decision (Schecter Hellraiser FR and Ibanez RG2550E) and i picked the Ibanez because there is no Schecter dealership here in iceland so i couldn't test the Schecter. Think if you get the Schecter and when you get it you really hate the neck? (or the same thing with the ibanez).

But i really like the ibanez so i can't say anything about the Schecter. but the best i can say is to test the guitars!
#20
Hmm toughy here.

In my opinion

Edge Pro > OFR
V series < EMG's
Ibanez's pickups are certainly lacking

Wizard > *Whatever Schecter's neck is*

For metal, for shred, Schecter's neck is too thick and it's finished, not as smooth as the Wizard II

The Ibanez will probably be of better construction.

If you can change the pickups somewhere, anywhere down the line I'd go for the RG1570.
#21
Playability > Looks. Also, sure the EMG's are nice, they won't be very special through a solid state amp. I'd take the Ibanez.
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#22
Why not give a Jackson SL3 a shot? But of those two, the Ibanez. Higher quality, nicer neck, and more versatile. Not a fan of either though.
#23
The thing about this thread and all the suggestions on it, is that each suggestion is going to be the PERSONAL PREFFERANCE of the one giving the suggestion.

There are going to be people that like the Ibanez better and preffer that, so then will suggest it.

Same with the Schecter (which is my personal preferrence in this case).

What this thread is going to come down to, is "How many people are there that will post and like Ibanez vs. How many people will post that like Schecters."

If the Ibanez Brigade shows up and they all post, Ibanez wins. If the Schecter Coalition shows up, and they all post, Schecter wins. This won't show what's "better," only which has the most posters in favor of.

If you can't try either of these specific guitars out, there are others that will have similar necks or pickups. Many Schecters share a similar neck, so try out a different model and see if you like the neck. Try a guitar with EMGs, to see if you like the sound. Same with Ibanez.

Then go from there.
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#24
id say the schecter, more for your money.
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#25
Quote by stew91
Well im going for a schecter my self.
Well if your into metal emgs will suit u i my self love em.
And the floyd u cant go far wrong with plus live heard some not so great things about the Edge trem. Well the neck isnt the fastes thing on earth however its not so bad and is really Comfy for me. Mate i would just try em both out on a amp like your own cos its all about The tone and feel that would suit you. but myself i would get the schecter mate.
However its up to you good luck mate.
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the edge pro trem is terrific, its the 3 that you have heard the not so good things about
#26
Thanks Hakael, there isn't a Schecter dealer in Northern Ireland, but I could try a few Ibanez and hopefully try some guitar with EMGs.

Thanks for everyone's contribution.
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#27
Go with the Schecter, the neck is great and it's worth twice what it sells for.
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#29
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Thanks Hakael, there isn't a Schecter dealer in Northern Ireland, but I could try a few Ibanez and hopefully try some guitar with EMGs.

Thanks for everyone's contribution.


I would highly recommend trying them out. Also, you could try out a Washburn X40PRO as well, they are very well specced. (SD pickups, Schaller Trem).
#30
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Go with the Schecter, the neck is great and it's worth twice what it sells for.
It's worth sixteen hundred dollars?
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#31
if i were you, i'd go to matchetts to try the 1570... matchetts' prices are generally pretty good too, you might be surprised.

+1 on most of pifty's points there too.

EDIT: problem with schecter in the UK is sound control has the monopoly... that's never good for prices...
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#32
Based on looks alone, the Schecter...from the RG's I've played, there a great guitar, great tone, and a nice feel...I've never played a Schecter, so I can't compare...from what I know about the 2, I'd go with the Ibanez, but thats just cuase thats all I've played.
#34
Their both amazing guitars, I would take any one any day.... but i'd tip my hat slightly in the direction of the Schecter...
#35
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care to mention why? I thought EMGs were its only objective advantage.

EMGs cleans sound like diarrhea, and they're distorted tones are muddy. The Schecter is just slightly higher quality in my opinion. If you ask someone who is a dealer of both Schecter and Ibanez, most will tell you Schecter is of slightly higher quality.
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EMGs cleans sound like diarrhea, and they're distorted tones are muddy. The Schecter is just slightly higher quality in my opinion. If you ask someone who is a dealer of both Schecter and Ibanez, most will tell you Schecter is of slightly higher quality.
Right. It costs more. Of course I'd try to sell it over something that costs less.

My personal experience disagrees with you however.
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#37
^ +1

haven't tried a hellraiser, but the ones I have tried haven't been as nice as an MIJ prestige.
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#38
I actually found the 1570 in Matchetts (as my trust in them has diminished), and it was

1. Light,
2. Nice easy neck

But it was slightly bigger and the pickups were like strangling a cat with each note I played.
So the Hellraiser is out of the question now as pifty said, my amp is the dogs bollicks for EMGs so I think it's more of an investment to buy new pickups than a new better amp after buying the Hellraiser which is also more expensive.

In saying that, I might go for Swineshead Pickups when I change them, seeing as I don't feel like dishing out for EMGs (and also for an active single coil EMG)

Any recommendations on those? I was thinking XBucker(Neck) - SingleCoil-A.M.P. - Venom(Bridge)
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#39
i love schecters and ibanez but
ibanez you want is more expensive and the pickups arent that good and if you buy emg it will cost around 150-200 bucks.
the hellraiser already come with the emg's and floyd rose
btw i love the edge pro and i sometimes think it can be better than the fr
#40
^^ If you're mostly going for humbucker sounds, then I wouldn't even rush to swap the single coil. On the Swinesheads, wait for Dave to hook you up with some advice.
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