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#1
ANARCHY IS SO PUNX!!!111!!1!!1


(the only reason I put this here [that's what she said] is because people in here may actually be interested.)

Really, have you ever thought of how much more civilized a world we would live in if society was based on a system resembling anarchy, and people had to govern themselves? Of course, it wouldn't work without people keeping it in a controlled state, or at least for a while. My theory is that in the beginning, many people from all countries come together to figure everything out. Thousands and thousands of people are assigned to regulate all the different countries at first, and all scum is erased. If someone commits murder (or tortures somebody, etc), they are sent to a prison (prisons are by now used for real reasons, because taxes are no longer a problem, and things like drugs are no longer reason for punishment), killed, or however we figure it out. Over time, (maybe years and years) people will need no guidance, and many problems will not exist. This may seem too simple, but if you think of this in the long run, it could actually work very well.
Before any of this could be put into action, all people would have to realize what is not right, everyone would have to learn that all people are equal, and so on.

So that's my idea. Obviously, much more planning and such would be required if that could ever work, but my ideas are never going to be put into action, so...yeah.

t0taly punx.
#2
i believe ur r rite on certain cases...u definitely have the idea.....

u shud definitely look up anarcho-sydicalism...
#3
ANARCHY BURGER!!!!!!!! HOLD THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I've always thought of anarchy as a flawed system, because of human nature. People are naturally greedy, and lazy. That's why anarchy and communism don't work.
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#4
Quote by element4433
ANARCHY BURGER!!!!!!!! HOLD THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I've always thought of anarchy as a flawed system, because of human nature. People are naturally greedy, and lazy. That's why anarchy and communism don't work.

That's why you get rid of the stupidity.

and thanks, Goose-whatever.
#5
by that view of humanity element, neither would capitalism
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#6
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ANARCHY IS SO PUNX!!!111!!1!!1


(the only reason I put this here [that's what she said] is because people in here may actually be interested.)

Really, have you ever thought of how much more civilized a world we would live in if society was based on a system resembling anarchy, and people had to govern themselves? Of course, it wouldn't work without people keeping it in a controlled state, or at least for a while. My theory is that in the beginning, many people from all countries come together to figure everything out. Thousands and thousands of people are assigned to regulate all the different countries at first, and all scum is erased. If someone commits murder (or tortures somebody, etc), they are sent to a prison (prisons are by now used for real reasons, because taxes are no longer a problem, and things like drugs are no longer reason for punishment), killed, or however we figure it out. Over time, (maybe years and years) people will need no guidance, and many problems will not exist. This may seem too simple, but if you think of this in the long run, it could actually work very well.
Before any of this could be put into action, all people would have to realize what is not right, everyone would have to learn that all people are equal, and so on.

So that's my idea. Obviously, much more planning and such would be required if that could ever work, but my ideas are never going to be put into action, so...yeah.

t0taly punx.

That's a lot of regulation/fascism for anarchy and prisons are the ultimate restriction of freedom

And I think that the "problems" would come back no matter how hard you tried to rid society of them. I think that the only case in which anarchy would work (and has worked in the past) is in a hunter/gatherer society or possibly horticultural. IMO anarchy in an industrial or agricultural society is impossible.
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#7
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by that view of humanity element, neither would capitalism
No that makes capitailism work
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i kinda wish we all had a penis and vagina instead of buttholes

i mean no offense to buttholes and poop or anything

Rest in Peace, Troy Davis and Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis and Eric Garner and Mike Brown
#8
well of course....ignorance would have 2 be the first thing to go....then stuff would start gradually dissapearing as well....such as imperialism, capitalism, wage system, etc.

and besides human nature is not inheretly wrong....people are greedy because the society around them pressures them to be....people would rather cooperate rather than compete
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That's a lot of regulation/fascism for anarchy and prisons are the ultimate restriction of freedom

And I think that the "problems" would come back no matter how hard you tried to rid society of them. I think that the only case in which anarchy would work (and has worked in the past) is in a hunter/gatherer society or possibly horticultural. IMO anarchy in an industrial or agricultural society is impossible.

Well, if you think about it, everyone's just gonna get killed without regulation in the beginning, so regulation in the beginning (probably a few decades) would be ridding the world of filth.

Also, prisons would not be a restriction of freedom, if they were used only for people who don't deserve to be free (like killers).
#10
What about land? Would people own land? People wouldn't be happy without land. Places in Africa are almost anarchist states, and look how bad off they are. Plus with the drugs there'd be lots of stealing and murder, families being killed, and who'd be there to regulate the prisons? Would people have normal jobs? Wouldn't that be some type of government?
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That's a lot of regulation/fascism for anarchy and prisons are the ultimate restriction of freedom

And I think that the "problems" would come back no matter how hard you tried to rid society of them. I think that the only case in which anarchy would work (and has worked in the past) is in a hunter/gatherer society or possibly horticultural. IMO anarchy in an industrial or agricultural society is impossible.

I agree with all of this.
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What about land? Would people own land? People wouldn't be happy without land. Places in Africa are almost anarchist states, and look how bad off they are. Plus with the drugs there'd be lots of stealing and murder, families being killed, and who'd be there to regulate the prisons? Would people have normal jobs? Wouldn't that be some type of government?

Something resembling anarchy, in the way that no true laws are used and such.


And I suppose ("dangerous") drugs would have to be disposed of somehow...good point.
#13
Yes and to try to change that would be a lost cause. You can't change the way people think easily. People naturally want more and better things. You would have to make people happy with what they need, not what they want.


I wish communism or anarchy would work. It seems good on paper, but doesn't work in the real world
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i kinda wish we all had a penis and vagina instead of buttholes

i mean no offense to buttholes and poop or anything

Rest in Peace, Troy Davis and Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis and Eric Garner and Mike Brown
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Quote by devourthekitten
Well, if you think about it, everyone's just gonna get killed without regulation in the beginning, so regulation in the beginning (probably a few decades) would be ridding the world of filth.

Also, prisons would not be a restriction of freedom, if they were used only for people who don't deserve to be free (like killers).

Who are you to say that they don't deserve to be free? That would imply the superiority of one individual's beliefs over another, thus eliminating equality. Keep in mind that I'm playing devil's advocate and I'd love for anarchy to work
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Who are you to say that they don't deserve to be free? That would imply the superiority of some individuals beliefs over another, thus eliminating equality. Keep in mind that I'm playing devil's advocate and I'd love for anarchy to work

That is actually a great point. But in all honesty, do you think somebody who killed an (innocent) person should be free?
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That is actually a great point. But in all honesty, do you think somebody who killed an (innocent) person should be free?

Nope, and it's one of the reasons that I'm not an anarchist
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What about land? Would people own land? People wouldn't be happy without land. Places in Africa are almost anarchist states, and look how bad off they are. Plus with the drugs there'd be lots of stealing and murder, families being killed, and who'd be there to regulate the prisons? Would people have normal jobs? Wouldn't that be some type of government?


There would be no private property as in private businesses....everyone will of course have there own house but there would also be no country borders....African states can not really be called anarchistic because it is mostly consisted of tribes and there is of course heiarchy in those tribes. There wouldnt be a need to deal drugs because wage would be abolished....people would work in a job they wanted and it neccessarily wouldnt b a govt. system....unless of course u r trying to establish anarchy in the U.S. or U.K. because then in the beginning u would need regulation so the ppl would understand
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Quote by Goose183
There would be no private property as in private businesses....everyone will of course have there own house but there would also be no country borders....African states can not really be called anarchistic because it is mostly consisted of tribes and there is of course heiarchy in those tribes. There wouldnt be a need to deal drugs because wage would be abolished....people would work in a job they wanted and it neccessarily wouldnt b a govt. system....unless of course u r trying to establish anarchy in the U.S. or U.K. because then in the beginning u would need regulation so the ppl would understand

I like lots of that...


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Nope, and it's one of the reasons that I'm not an anarchist

and that made me chuckle.
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That is actually a great point. But in all honesty, do you think somebody who killed an (innocent) person should be free?
I'm not sure about anarchy but in true Communism there is no crime because everyone is happy with what they have.
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i kinda wish we all had a penis and vagina instead of buttholes

i mean no offense to buttholes and poop or anything

Rest in Peace, Troy Davis and Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis and Eric Garner and Mike Brown
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Quote by element4433
I'm not sure about anarchy but in true Communism there is no crime because everyone is happy with what they have.

Well, yeah, crime shouldn't have to exist.
#21
the biggest crime committed though is us allowing a govt. sys. that is tricking the people that we actually have a democracy....then using the simple minded citizen towards its own advantage for globalization
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We don't have a democracy, we have a republic.

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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
i have been dying 4 someone 2 say that...u sir have just made my night.....

i hereby reward u with.....3.47 kudos
#23
if there is a new country 2 find...who ever finds it should establish anarcho-syndicalism...or any class of anarchy
Anarcho-Weedist

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We don't have a democracy, we have a republic.

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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
i have been dying 4 someone 2 say that...u sir have just made my night.....

i hereby reward u with.....3.47 kudos
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the biggest crime committed though is us allowing a govt. sys. that is tricking the people that we actually have a democracy....then using the simple minded citizen towards its own advantage for globalization
We don't have a democracy, we have a republic.
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i kinda wish we all had a penis and vagina instead of buttholes

i mean no offense to buttholes and poop or anything

Rest in Peace, Troy Davis and Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis and Eric Garner and Mike Brown
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Quote by element4433
We don't have a democracy, we have a republic.


THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

i have been dying 4 someone 2 say that...u sir have just made my night.....

i hereby reward u with.....3.47 kudos
Anarcho-Weedist

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We don't have a democracy, we have a republic.

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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
i have been dying 4 someone 2 say that...u sir have just made my night.....

i hereby reward u with.....3.47 kudos
#26
We all know the world would be a better place if I alone ruled it.
Journalism is just a gun. It's only got one bullet in it, but if you aim right, that's all you need. Aim it right, and you can blow a kneecap off the world.
#27
i...wish anarchy would work....but it would take so long, and i wouldn't ever see it happen so....w/e...i just want the government to stop dicking everyone around...and i am a socialist....
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He doesn't sound like Opie from family guy at all.
#28
Though Socialism, Communism, and Anarchy sound good on paper there are just too many flaws. To say you'll get rid of the ignorant is putting yourself above others therefore defeating the basis of equality. There is no way to "clean the world of scum" because there will always be people who do bad things by someone else's standards. To wipe out all morals, ethics, and beliefs of anyone who disagrees with you is impossible. It would be much like a Utopian society but you would need to constantly stop the ideas that contradict yours from arising. Which would be a restriction on one's freedoms.
People will never ideologically agree on everything, and put them into a situation where there is no government to enforce certain things then there is really nothing you could do. People will believe in Capitalism, Fascism, Monarchies, and other political systems unless you restrict the ability to invest time into their studies which once again limits freedom.
As of late I've been looking more and more into the idea of Objectivism which actually goes against many things I've believed in. Just my 2 cents.
#29
These discussions are always really boring because everyone always says the same things.
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These discussions are always really boring because everyone always says the same things.

Agreed.

This thread is now about democracy. It is the greatest form of government ever. Because America has democracy, and since America is blessed by God, democracy is good.

*note* 99% of Americans think America is a democracy. When in reality, it is not a democracy. Not even close.
Journalism is just a gun. It's only got one bullet in it, but if you aim right, that's all you need. Aim it right, and you can blow a kneecap off the world.
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These discussions are always really boring because everyone always says the same things.



damn right.

and i really don't give a **** about what the government (or lack thereof) says or does, it doesn't phsyically stop me, unless i'm physically restrained i usually won't stop doing what i'm doing.

oh man that sounds so cliche p0nx *-)
#32
...So much tru-punxness in this thread. Anarchy won't work on a large scale for as long as we live, and a lot longer after that. You might as well wish that we all lived in Candyland (which we be far cooler anyway).
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These discussions are always really boring because everyone always says the same things.


Mubbel Bubbel.....You´re right Mr President (or is it Brian).....it´s boring because this is the 50.000th Anarchy thread

But I´ll give my mustard as well: Mr Threadstarter...this theory is foolish mine is better: "Love everybody else, shake hands with your enemy and kiss yourselves whenever you see each other, wear flowers in your hair".....and.....'In a Big Rock Candy Mountain you never change your socks' Which band...na...na...na
#34
Quote by sargasm
These discussions are always really boring because everyone always says the same things.


and none of them seem to understand that Anarchism is a personal philosophy and it's about how you live your life rather than causing chaos.

Anarchism is about creating a life for yourself without hierarchy, and respecting every person equally. It's something we all personally have to work towards. It's a revolution within ourselves first and then we have a revolution in society.
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#35
Quote by whyvern
and none of them seem to understand that Anarchism is a personal philosophy and it's about how you live your life rather than causing chaos.

Anarchism is about creating a life for yourself without hierarchy, and respecting every person equally. It's something we all personally have to work towards. It's a revolution within ourselves first and then we have a revolution in society.


That´s the theory...and now the praxis.....

.....uhm.....the theory failed sorry
#36
Quote by devourthekitten
That's why you get rid of the stupidity.




Sorry, i thought hitler was dead

Burn the stupid... lets start a master race, yeah that sounds like a good idea

Fourth Reich might be your kind of thing!
#37
I think living your life as an anarchist, like whyvern said, is perfectly logical. There's nothing wrong or unreasonable about treating everyone as equals and living without hierarchy. However, there's no way this would ever spread to an entire society.

Edit: And I agree with everyone saying you'd have to rid the world of stupid first. How can you say that a person who believes that white people are better than black people is not ignorant? That type of thinking would never, EVER work in an equal, classless society.
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I think living your life as an anarchist, like whyvern said, is perfectly logical. There's nothing wrong or unreasonable about treating everyone as equals and living without hierarchy. However, there's no way this would ever spread to an entire society.

Edit: And I agree with everyone saying you'd have to rid the world of stupid first. How can you say that a person who believes that white people are better than black people is not ignorant? That type of thinking would never, EVER work in an equal, classless society.


that sounds frightening.....do you wanna clean the world?
#39
Quote by lavazza
that sounds frightening.....do you wanna clean the world?


No, education would be the best way to rid the world of stupid.
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Quote by TheAdict310
No, education would be the best way to rid the world of stupid.



Forced or compulsaroy edcuation?

Because with anarchy you cant force any one to do anything

Thus anarchy wont work!

Its just not realistic, no matter how many windows you smash!
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