#1
HI. I'm looking for a guitar suited to blues, classic rock and some heavy rock.
I have a budget of £800... and I'd like some suggestions. I've looked into an American strat, which I thought was a good all round guitar, but it didn't quite have the fat lead tone I'd like. I'm really interested in the Tokai ls150, but there's nowhere I can try one.
I've checked out some Sg's, but quite frankly... I want a more vintage/slightly less biting tone.

Any input would be much apreciated

Cheers guys.
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#2
If you like the tone of Les Paul's, then you'd be good with the Tokai. The one I played in my local store about eight months ago was nearly as good as the shop owners Gibson Les Paul. You might also be able to get a Gibson Les Paul Classic for about £800 used, or new if lucky.
#3
A Les Paul?
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I have an american strat, it plays all of what you said except perhaps a strong heavy rock sound.

How about a fat strat? with the HSS thing going on??? Seems like a good choice for you!
#5
If Iron Maiden use strats, a strat can do heavy rock/classic metal.

A fat strat seems a good choice in my opinion.
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Tokai, Edwards, used Gibson LP studios, look for them.
And Strats too, depends what kind of sound you're lookin for.
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#7
Yeah, if you want a Strat, like Hendrix=God said, the HSS will probably suit you better. Bridge hum's ftw!
#8
I'm not sure. Strats are great... but I think I want an LP. I reckon the ls150 would be better than a Gibson standard (from what I've heard), and certainly the classic. Also... having tried some 'swiss cheese' Gibsons..
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#9
Then go with it. From the Tokai's I've played, they're really good. And if you ever needed to, you could swap the pickups to Gibson Burstbuckers, to get a real Gibson sound.
#10
I'm not sure. Strats are great... but I think I want an LP. I reckon the ls150 would be better than a Gibson standard (from what I've heard), and certainly the classic. Also... having tried some 'swiss cheese' Gibsons.. I feel that there's just something missing.
Maybe not even al LP... I've heard of some Parkers - PM120? that sound pretty promising... although I do love Les Pauls.
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If Iron Maiden use strats, a strat can do heavy rock/classic metal.

A fat strat seems a good choice in my opinion.



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#12
SRV sig, or if thats too much, classic players 60's strat. both are niice. otherwise look at the baja tele, give teles a shot.

the 72 reissues have dual humbuckers, so they kick ass in harder rock.

also highway 1 series and koa series fenders have more rock oriented pickups.
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#13
I think it's more the mahogany and the slab of it that's creating the 'fat' tone. I just don't think I can quite get the sustain or balls out of a strat...?
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#14
try an HH tele or really any on brigde pup. you will note that it has no trem, and a stouter neck gthan a strat. this adds sustain, and that tone you get is roughly consistent of 75% balls and 25% spank. get a ts9 with it, you'll have both cleans and rock versatility.
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Tokai, Edwards, used Gibson LP studios, look for them.
And Strats too, depends what kind of sound you're lookin for.


+1

for that kinda budget, maybe slightly more, you could pick up 2 edwardses, a les paul and a strat.

or a second hand tokai strat and an edwards les paul should be under budget...

really up to you to be honest.
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Then go with it. From the Tokai's I've played, they're really good. And if you ever needed to, you could swap the pickups to Gibson Burstbuckers, to get a real Gibson sound.


yeah. i tried a relic tokai that absolutely slaughtered a gibson les paul classic antique i tried on the same day.

I wouldn't bother with gibson pickups, for the £50,000 they cost you could buy a porsche instead.

Oh alright, if you want to be sensible, you could buy bareknuckles or bulldogs for less, which are nicer pickups (probably, in the case of bulldogs, as I haven't tried them).
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#17
Thanks Dave!
How would an Edwards compare to the Tokai? I'd really like to buy one already in the Country, and the ls150 looks pretty fine
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#18
how much is the tokai?

problem is the model numbers change all the time, and it gets very confusing very quickly.

out of the ones I've tried, I prefer my edwards to the japanese tokais around the £400-£600 mark, but the tokai relic i tried at £1000 was a bit nicer than my edwards.

no idea on the model numbers unfortunately...
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http://www.richtonemusic.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&manufacturers_id=5&products_id=48

That's the one I'm looking at. Looks pretty well speced to me...I just want to make sure there aren't any better alternatives.

Cheers
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#20
thanks.

I really wouldn't know to be honest. I'd have thought edwards should be at least of similar quality, but for little more than half the price. if you're willing to import, that's what I'd do.

EDIT: also, if you're willing to go to £800, i'd try to find that nitro relic i tried- i know a guy on the bareknuckle forum found one for £500 second hand...
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#21
Another question that I'd like answered if at all possible, is: does the ls150 justify the price difference from say, an ls85? I could get an ls85 and put in bareknuckles for the same price.
If i'm quite honest, I'm not keen on importing a guitar, although I'm more than willing to buy used. Also cheers to Dave - you've been consistently helpful.
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#22
i know the £1000 tokai relic i tried was noticeably better than the £600 MIJ tokais I tried. Kinda like the difference between a gibson les paul studio and a PRS. My reaction to the £1000 tokai was "wow, that's badass/sublime", while to the £600 ones is "that's a decent to good guitar at a decent to good price".

Whether that's worth it to you is another matter- to me, edwards are "good enough". However, that's because my main music style is 80's metal, shred and the like- I still want the classic guitars as i play enough classic rock and blues to justify it, but not enough to really justify £1500 versions when i can get ones which are "good enough" to me for £400-£500. I save the £1500 super-guitars for my main styles, as for that £1500 I could buy 3 edwardses, and almost complete my "vintage" collection... If my main music style were classic rock, though, I probably could justify the more expensive ones- navigator, those more expensive tokais, gibson customs shops, custom builds, etc.

I hope that makes sense- of course it's my opinion too.

Again, IMO, just to summarise- if you're looking at the £600 tokais, I'd prefer an edwards, as you'd save between about £100-£150, and have duncans into the bargain (which you could keep or sell on). If you are willing to go to bigger prices, you can get better, but only you will know if it's worth it or not.
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#23
Someone else suggested I look at a Gibson BFG - any thoughts on that?

Cheers
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