#1
So I'm looking to get a new amp, and I think I'm going to go with the Ashdown MAG series. The problem is, I don't know if I should get the 1x15 or 2x10 (both at 300W). I know that 15's are better for the lows and the 10's are better for the highs, but I can't really decide....

I really like the low, in your chest feeling of bass, but I don't want something that has no high end options with it. I like reggae and ska music, but I want something that is versatile enough to get a higher rock/funk style with bright mids and highs. If I had to choose between the two extremes, I would have to go with the lower end, however I'm not sure if the 15" is mainly designed as an addition to the 10's, or if it is only necessary if you have a 5 string (which I don't).

I have plugged into both at a music store, but I still can't really tell (I didn't have too long and I wasn't able to turn them up very loud, because all the instruments and cymbals began to shake in the store.

Someone please help me out.... is the 1x15 a mistake?

EDIT: One more thing, would you suggest the combo or separate pieces?

Thanks a lot for your responses.
#2
seperate, well the boyfriend op my sister uses 15" and I have never heard him play a really bright note. But very powerfull low it can do for sure. I don't know he only wants those tones, or if that's all the thing can do.

I hope not, I might buy it from him when I need a new amp
#3
I'll be getting the 2x10's soon, but to get full power from the amp wouldn't you have to get an extension speaker anyway? Because with the two cabs it would make it the 4ohms instead of 8.

I plan to get an extension speaker which is a 1x15. So that might be another option for you.
#4
It's up to you. I mean, we can't decide for you. You need to go somewhere where you can go and try out each extensively. Dial in your favourite tone on each and see which one you like best. Make sure to do the same EQing on each. Just play some long tones and really listen to which one you like more. Each can get bright or low it's just a matter of which bright and low you like better. A lot of people, for some reason, think that 1x15s are incapable of a decent high and 2x10s are incapable of a decent low. That's really untrue. They both have good sound it's just a matter of which sound you prefer over the other.
#5
15's are more bassy, and 10's are more trebly.

10's tend to have a better frequency response, seeing as you slap, I'd go for the 10's. But if you own a 5'er and like using that low B, get the 15.

Ultimatley it's up to you, did you consider 12's?
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Get a 15" with a tweeter.

Seems the obvious solution. Why limit your options now?
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^a bit of a shame that the 12" seems to be a bit of a "specialist" option.
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#10
I say invest in a good 15", that way you'll get the thumping lows and if it's a quality cabinet you'll get some good punch too. Then invest in a 2x10 for the high's and mids you're lacking.

I own an Ampeg SVT15 and GK 2x10 and they sound great together.
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I bought the Ashdown MAG head last year, with both the MAG 2x10 and as 1x15 aswell, i leave the 1x15 at my band practice room, because it's got more bass oomph to be heard at practice and i leave my 2x10 at home so i can hear some real clear notes when playing at home at lower volumes, and then for gigs i plug both in so i can be heard nicely from the 10's and felt rumble through the place from the 15.
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Aren't the 115 and 210 Ashdown MAG's 300W at 4 ohms, where you need an extension cabinet to get all the wattage?

Anyway, about this 'chest pounding' bass - it's a total misconception that many people (especially rap-loving non-musicians) have. The bass you feel in your chest isn't the low, low frequencies. At around 250Hz is where the chest pounding action is, and considering your low E is 42Hz, it isn't impressive by any stretch. My 210 combo is about as chest-punching as it gets.

Although it is humourous to see all these rap-loving fools with thier super 'subwoofers' in their cars. Whump, whump, whump, whump, they're boosting 200-400Hz and they think that's bass! Lovely! And I love it when a bass note plays that makes the subwoofer resonate like hell (read: it's supa bassy yo) and then the next note, which is, oh, 1 step higher, you can barely hear. However, the ol' 'lumpy' tone is for another time.
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I bought the Ashdown MAG head last year, with both the MAG 2x10 and as 1x15 aswell, i leave the 1x15 at my band practice room, because it's got more bass oomph to be heard at practice and i leave my 2x10 at home so i can hear some real clear notes when playing at home at lower volumes, and then for gigs i plug both in so i can be heard nicely from the 10's and felt rumble through the place from the 15.


That's exactly what I plan to do

To the threadstarter, and I know I posted earlier, but I would get the 2x10s for now, I mean you're gonna some nice highs, and you will still be able to hear the lows too, it's not like you just can't hear the low frequencies because you have 10 inch speakers.
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Aren't the 115 and 210 Ashdown MAG's 300W at 4 ohms, where you need an extension cabinet to get all the wattage?

Anyway, about this 'chest pounding' bass - it's a total misconception that many people (especially rap-loving non-musicians) have. The bass you feel in your chest isn't the low, low frequencies. At around 250Hz is where the chest pounding action is, and considering your low E is 42Hz, it isn't impressive by any stretch. My 210 combo is about as chest-punching as it gets.

Although it is humourous to see all these rap-loving fools with thier super 'subwoofers' in their cars. Whump, whump, whump, whump, they're boosting 200-400Hz and they think that's bass! Lovely! And I love it when a bass note plays that makes the subwoofer resonate like hell (read: it's supa bassy yo) and then the next note, which is, oh, 1 step higher, you can barely hear. However, the ol' 'lumpy' tone is for another time.



My friend installed these insane subs in his car, and if he cranks it my teeth rattle and I feel like I can't move. Keep in mind there's no definition whatsoever to the music, but it's impressive.


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^a bit of a shame that the 12" seems to be a bit of a "specialist" option.


How so? Lots of companies make 12" speakers
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^ Not nearly as many as 10's and 15's though.
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get 12 problem solved
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#17
Go for the 15", 210s have never been loud enough in my experience, well, not as a standalone.
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That's exactly what I plan to do

To the threadstarter, and I know I posted earlier, but I would get the 2x10s for now, I mean you're gonna some nice highs, and you will still be able to hear the lows too, it's not like you just can't hear the low frequencies because you have 10 inch speakers.


Except you can say the same about 1x15s just the opposite. So... what you're saying doesn't really have anything to do with anything.
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Aren't the 115 and 210 Ashdown MAG's 300W at 4 ohms, where you need an extension cabinet to get all the wattage?

Anyway, about this 'chest pounding' bass - it's a total misconception that many people (especially rap-loving non-musicians) have. The bass you feel in your chest isn't the low, low frequencies. At around 250Hz is where the chest pounding action is, and considering your low E is 42Hz, it isn't impressive by any stretch. My 210 combo is about as chest-punching as it gets.

Although it is humourous to see all these rap-loving fools with thier super 'subwoofers' in their cars. Whump, whump, whump, whump, they're boosting 200-400Hz and they think that's bass! Lovely! And I love it when a bass note plays that makes the subwoofer resonate like hell (read: it's supa bassy yo) and then the next note, which is, oh, 1 step higher, you can barely hear. However, the ol' 'lumpy' tone is for another time.


Chest pounding has to do mostly with dBs.. Air pressure.. The only reason why you feel it more with lower frequencies is because there is more time in between each sound wave interval pushing back on your rib cage, hence the chest pounding. I don't get your logic by saying 250hz is where you feel it the most. You're saying in rap beats the bass isn't actual bass? Ok well.. Obviously it is if it sounds and feels like bass, and is a pretty low sound. Plus I've learned a few rap songs on bass just for the fun of it. TONS of mainstream rap bass is actually made using an electric bass.... So, in conclusion.. I honestly have no clue wtf you're talking about.

edit: Forgot to add.. I hope you know that Hz means per second.. so 1Hz = it takes one second for the sound wave to travel from trough to next trough of the wave, or crest to next crest of the wave. I mean you are thefitz, right? This is is grade 11 physics here..

I dunno, the way you worded your frequencies in your sentence structure seems like you don't know what it actually is. Like as if you were describing Hz as a form of volume..
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Chest pounding has to do mostly with dBs.. Air pressure.. The only reason why you feel it more with lower frequencies is because there is more time in between each sound wave interval pushing back on your rib cage, hence the chest pounding. I don't get your logic by saying 250hz is where you feel it the most. You're saying in rap beats the bass isn't actual bass? Ok well.. Obviously it is if it sounds and feels like bass, and is a pretty low sound. Plus I've learned a few rap songs on bass just for the fun of it. TONS of mainstream rap bass is actually made using an electric bass.... So, in conclusion.. I honestly have no clue wtf you're talking about.

edit: Forgot to add.. I hope you know that Hz means per second.. so 1Hz = it takes one second for the sound wave to travel from trough to next trough of the wave, or crest to next crest of the wave. I mean you are thefitz, right? This is is grade 11 physics here..

I dunno, the way you worded your frequencies in your sentence structure seems like you don't know what it actually is. Like as if you were describing Hz as a form of volume..

What? what he means by boosting 200-400hz is boosting those certain frequencies, sonce those are the actual frequencies that "pound your chest", so to speak.
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What? what he means by boosting 200-400hz is boosting those certain frequencies, sonce those are the actual frequencies that "pound your chest", so to speak.


That doesn't make any sense. Then why when you're at a show that has drums miced, the bass drum you can feel the most in your chest out of any instrument. You're saying the bass drum is 200-400hz..
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That doesn't make any sense. Then why when you're at a show that has drums miced, the bass drum you can feel the most in your chest out of any instrument. You're saying the bass drum is 200-400hz..

Hz = cycles/second, not just /second. What I am saying is that yes, the 200Hz-400Hz area is where most of the chest pounding happens. Lower frequencies don't have the same 'feel it in the chest' vibe as the lo-mids do. That's why many slap/mid scoop tones don't have that same chest-pounding quality. Hell, I can trump your grade 11 physics by about 3 years and say that somewhere in the 200-400Hz range is the eigenfrequency of a human's chest .

Drums are not a tonal instrument. You feel the percussiveness in the chest, not the notes. Even then, yes, a fair bit of that kick in the chest comes from that area of frequencies.

Sure, a low B does give a good bit of shaking. However, if you really want to get shaking, play the 12th fret of the B string. I played an amp in the music store, and a loud low B didn't do anything. Now, when I hit the 12th fret of the B string, the 3rd floor called the bass section and asked me to turn down.

In conclusion, it makes perfect sense - it's lo-mids you feel in your chest, not sub 100Hz bass frequencies.

EDIT: 200-400Hz is still very low in terms of sounding. What I'm getting at is that it's many people's idea of 'bass', even though there are frequencies much, much lower but don't quite have the same immediacy. Yes, you feel it in your chest because it's slower, but there's a point where it's too slow to REALLY feel it. I'm saying 200-400Hz is the area that's low enough to be considered bass but fast enough to REALLY make your chest go.
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somewhere in the 200-400Hz range is the eigenfrequency of a human's chest .


This actually makes more sense now.. I did not know that a human chest had a natural frequency of 200-400Hz... lol
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This actually makes more sense now.. I did not know that a human chest had a natural frequency of 200-400Hz... lol

OK that's a spot of BS there as I don't know for sure, but that's my guesstimate.
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