#1
hey ive been hearing good things about the higher end line 6 amps and was wondering are the flextone and the vetta the same thing other than more pressets effects and models
#2
They are completly different although some of the presets and effects are the same. For future reference just check out their website at www.line6.com
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#3
Line 6's quality is directly associated with their prices. The HD-147 and Vetta are great amps. The Vetta is basically a computer, you can download more patches to it for more tones, and there are a few patches that take away the fizzlyness and give you an even more tubelike tone.
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#4
Line 6 look like a very good brand nowadays with their Variaxes, Spider Amps and Pods. I'd really like to get my hands on a Toneport, a Pod and a Spider Valve Head

The Spider valve series comes out early next year here and they look absolutely amazing!!
Its literally a spider III + a Bogner tube amp in one, the Spider Valve head is really cheap too, $1700AUD.

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The Spider valve series comes out early next year here and they look absolutely amazing!!
Its literally a spider III + a Bogner tube amp in one, the Spider Valve head is really cheap too, $1700AUD.


The Spider Valve has been out for at least a month. Maybe you guys don't get them till then... I haven't heard a single good thing about them yet though...
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vetta=overpriced and not very good


You gotta spend a good while behind the wheel of that thing. I probably spent an hour just cycling through 1 amp and EQing the ones that stood out. Another hour dialing in another amp in conjunction with the first one.

There are mods to really make it worth the dough but I would love to own one as they are.
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Quote by Say Ocean
Eh, there are many amps in that price range I would have first.


I think they're worth it for the price. But you can find better deals when buying used. My Roadking for example, $2,400 amp for $1,700, much better than a Vetta. If I were to buy used, it would have been between the HD-147 and randall V2 but the Vetta would have remained an option.

They're a bit tooo much fun to play around with IMO.
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#11
Oh and I have a flextone for $700 its an awesome amp now granted I'd rather buy a high end tube but if your on a budget there great. You can hear how they sound in my profile just go through all my songs/skills I tweak my tone alot so you can hear a few different settings I used. Just keep in mind that I recorded through a cheap mic so it will sound a bit better when your actaully using it live.
#12
I'd love to have a Vetta...but it's well out of my price range. I'd love to have a nice, small valve combo for studio recording a little more than a Vetta, and the particular combo that I'd buy is cheaper. I'd consider a Flextone in the future, though, just for the versatility. Or maybe a good modelling unit and one of those Atomic Reactor valve power amp combo thingies.
#13
line 6s upper models are extremely nice but for the price you can get tube amps that will sound better imo, ive heard the spider valve and wasnt impressed, just another hybrid amp, the cleans were stale and the distortion was kinda muddy, maybe if i could play with the eq a tad my opinion would change
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line 6s upper models are extremely nice but for the price you can get tube amps that will sound better imo, ive heard the spider valve and wasnt impressed, just another hybrid amp, the cleans were stale and the distortion was kinda muddy, maybe if i could play with the eq a tad my opinion would change


Yeah, but it depends on what you play. If you're someone like me, you could easily get away with just a single amp (which I am looking to do once I have enough money to get a decent recording rig) but some people need several sounds, for example a Fender Bassman, Vox AC30, Marshall Plexi, JCM800 and a Mesa Dual Rectifier. To buy all those amps seperately would cost, at least over here, several thousands of pounds, wheras they could probably get away with using a Vetta to cover all of those tones, and the people listening to their music probably wouldn't notice that they were using SS amps at all because the Vetta is actually quite good sounding.

Of course, people like you and me might notice because we know the difference between the sounds created by SS and valve amps, but this is a high end SS amp, so it's not as noticable as it is with, say, the Spiders or the Marshall MGs and stuff like that.
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Quote by Denthúl
Yeah, but it depends on what you play. If you're someone like me, you could easily get away with just a single amp (which I am looking to do once I have enough money to get a decent recording rig) but some people need several sounds, for example a Fender Bassman, Vox AC30, Marshall Plexi, JCM800 and a Mesa Dual Rectifier. To buy all those amps seperately would cost, at least over here, several thousands of pounds, wheras they could probably get away with using a Vetta to cover all of those tones, and the people listening to their music probably wouldn't notice that they were using SS amps at all because the Vetta is actually quite good sounding.

Of course, people like you and me might notice because we know the difference between the sounds created by SS and valve amps, but this is a high end SS amp, so it's not as noticable as it is with, say, the Spiders or the Marshall MGs and stuff like that.


You make a valid point with the cost factor there. But I would still have concerns about any digital amp. There is almost no going back if the thing gets broken. It's also occurred to me that if you're downloading patches for sounds onto your amp, you're surely going to 'run out of room' at some point. Then what do you do? Do you buy another amp to satisfy your needs? When buying a Vetta, I would have to seriously consider whether the versatility I was paying for is better than one decent tube amp that could do several tones very well. And as you say, ultimately, if you're recording, any normal listener probably couldn't tell the difference through sound alone. It's only us tone fiends, engineers and the occasional observant spectator that would delight in the magic of an AC30.

In fact, if you stuck a Spider 3 and an AC30 next to each other, without switching either on, I bet somebody who knew nothing about guitar would say the Spider 3 was the pricier amp, because of the onboard effects etc. Interesting thought.
#16
That's all very true. But on record, a listener would be able to tell the difference between an AC30 cranked and a Mesa Dual Rectifier cranked. I know that the chances of using those two sounds on the same record are slim, but that's what I was trying to get at. I understand that in most cases a good valve amp will come out on top, but when it comes to being that versatile a lot of them just can't do it. True, it's difficult to repair a digital amp when it is broken, but sometimes it's worth the risk.

And I also understand that there are some pretty versatile valve amps out there, and if I were in a position to choose between one of those and the Vetta, I'd pick the valve amp. But some people may still want more than that (or not care too much for valve tone) and that's where these modellers come in. I bet that if Line 6 were to reduce the Vetta in price by, say, £400 then they'd become a lot more popular and the price would be a lot easier to justify.


For me, a modelling amp like the Flextone or Vetta wouldn't see too much use, because if I ever get into music in a professional way I have this one tone in my head that I would have, and I know exactly which amp that would come from. But then again, every now and then I like to do something different, using many different sounds on the same song. Now, this cannot be enough to justify, in my case, the cost of a Vetta or a couple of other valve amps from which I would get the different sounds I would want, but the Flextone would be perfect for that sort of thing because of its price.

And finally...here's something I find interesting (and silly). Lots of people buy the 150 watt Spider III (I know about four people who went out and bought these). Now, on GAK, you can get these for £274 but the Flextone III is only £21 dearer! WTF?!
#17
Well, I was comparing a digital amp to an AC30, so there's more of a difference between an AC30 and a Dual Recto.

And another silly fact is that a Marshall MG half stack, two Crate SS half stacks, and two Spider 3's are the top 5 selling amps on Musicians Friend, while the top selling guitars are Gibson LP Standard, LP Vintage, a Custom Shop ES339, and er..a $25,000 EVH strat....which...doesn't make sense..
#18
yeh.. line6 are pretty good..

still i'm in love with marshall :P
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Well, I was comparing a digital amp to an AC30, so there's more of a difference between an AC30 and a Dual Recto.

And another silly fact is that a Marshall MG half stack, two Crate SS half stacks, and two Spider 3's are the top 5 selling amps on Musicians Friend, while the top selling guitars are Gibson LP Standard, LP Vintage, a Custom Shop ES339, and er..a $25,000 EVH strat....which...doesn't make sense..


Oh, right...sorry... I misread and thought you meant that listeners wouldn't be able to tell the difference between two amps like the AC30 and Dual Rectifier. My mistake

And yeah, that's one of the things that bugs me. People need to start really listening to us when we say that playing a good guitar through a crap amp will just give you crap tone, and so you might as well be playing a plank of MDF with a couple of strings on it.
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Oh, right...sorry... I misread and thought you meant that listeners wouldn't be able to tell the difference between two amps like the AC30 and Dual Rectifier. My mistake

And yeah, that's one of the things that bugs me. People need to start really listening to us when we say that playing a good guitar through a crap amp will just give you crap tone, and so you might as well be playing a plank of MDF with a couple of strings on it.


Ah, no problem

I would've thought the words 'Spider 3' and 'Vox AC30' would have given it away though

And yes, people are idiotz.
#21
Quote by Say Ocean
vetta=overpriced and not very good


Vetta = the most versatile amp ever

I think $1800 is a very reasonable price for 74 amps and about 50 effects of top quality.

For example, I play lots of styles and to get the sounds I want I'd have to buy lots of different tube amps I can't afford or even store at home ^^'
So this is the best solution.
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Vetta = the most versatile amp ever

I think $1800 is a very reasonable price for 74 amps and about 50 effects of top quality.

For example, I play lots of styles and to get the sounds I want I'd have to buy lots of different tube amps I can't afford or even store at home ^^'
So this is the best solution.


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Quote by Mahoru
Vetta = the most versatile amp ever

I think $1800 is a very reasonable price for 74 amps and about 50 effects of top quality.

For example, I play lots of styles and to get the sounds I want I'd have to buy lots of different tube amps I can't afford or even store at home ^^'
So this is the best solution.


Or alternatively, buy any half decent tube amp and use nice pedals to get there. And don't use a comeback of 'Oh, the Vetta's effects and amp models are probably better anyway', because that would be a plain lie.
#24
subjectivity subjectivity subjectivity. no need to argue.


anyway... so spider valve: all-tube or hybrid?
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#25
Well...it has a valve preamp, and a valve power amp...but there's some solid state stuff in there too. So...I have no idea
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Line 6 look like a very good brand nowadays with their Variaxes, Spider Amps and Pods. I'd really like to get my hands on a Toneport, a Pod and a Spider Valve Head



Why would you want a Pod AND a Spider head? That's just digital overkill really. A Pod is basically all the digital stuff from the Spiders in pedal form.
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Quote by Denthúl
Well...it has a valve preamp, and a valve power amp...but there's some solid state stuff in there too. So...I have no idea

ha i see. i'd suppose it's all tube then... just with a little extra haah.
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#28
The POD has better software than Spiders, btw. I believe some POD's have the same as Vetta.
#29
vettas are good amps, just overpriced really, and honestly they confuse me, i stick to flextones and hd147s when im messing with line 6, and their pedals, i love there stuff but honestly id buy alot of it used, it marks down alot used
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