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#1
halloween has nothing to do with christianity
i hope we can all agree on that, because simply put; its a fact
in fact its a watered down pagan holiday
i hope we can all agree on that because, simply put; its a fact

so does that make christians who celebrate it hypocrites?
seeing as how christianity is 'supposed' to be void of other religions beliefs entirely?


just a thought...


EDIT: this is not a religion thread, before anyone gets off on that
its simply an observation and my asking you of your opinions
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#2
Most churches don't call it "Halloween" anymore, either.

They call it "Fall Festival", or something to do with pumpkins.

And most Christian families celebrate it for their kids, or for an excuse to throw costume parties, the only time a year where costume parties are acceptable.


That's just me, thogh.
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#3
Serious LOLness at the ignorance of this thread.

Halloween is All Hallow's Eve, a Catholic holidy.
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#4
Samhain (Sow-win)FTW!
pagan holidays have been usurped by christianity ever since the dark ages.
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#5
nobody celebrates halloween because it is wicked. it's just an excuse for women to dress as sluts. halloween is A-OK.
#6
Actually i had an english teacher last year and he was a huge christian and refused to celebrate Halloween and give out candy.

He lectured the whole class why but i got lost in the details.
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#7
Yeah its Part Pagan, Part Catholic, Part something else


Just a bunch of holidays put together to form this
#8
I'm pretty sure no one knows the origin of holidays in Christendom, save Easter, the only Christian holiday worth having. Halloween is pagan you say? Well Christmas was created to boost winter church attendance so there.

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pagan holidays have been usurped by christianity ever since the dark ages.

The Dark Ages? Try the Roman Empire.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

The Festival of Halloween is a celebration of the end of the fertile period of the Celtic Goddess Eiseria. It is said that when Eiseria reaches the end of her fertile cycle, the worlds of the dead and the living interlap
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#11
It isn't intended to celebrate Paganism anymore. Hell, plenty of Christmas is based around some Pagan holiday. It's the intent of the celebration not the origin. So, to answer your question, not it's no hypocritical.
#12
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Serious LOLness at the ignorance of this thread.

Halloween is All Hallow's Eve, a Catholic holidy.

thats were we get the name, but it was a pagan tradition to dress up and scare away the "evil" spirits from "the otehr side"
thats we have costumes! (or the scary ones at least :P)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

The Festival of Halloween is a celebration of the end of the fertile period of the Celtic Goddess Eiseria. It is said that when Eiseria reaches the end of her fertile cycle, the worlds of the dead and the living interlap
Which was stolen and called All Hallow's Eve. You're both right.

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#14
Halloween originated when Catholics in the past would gather the night before All Saint's Day (Nov. 1) for a prayer vigil.

Way to go.


EDIT: Nevermind, it's a combination of the two. Kind of like when the Church chose to celebrate Christmas around the same time as a popular Roman holiday (can't remember which)
Though christmas was also scheduled when it so that people could get wasted and not have to go out to work in the fields the next day, because it was winter.
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#15
Its actually reformation day. To celebrate when Martin Luther nailed the 95 theses to the church door.

Obviously
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Just a bunch of holidays put together to form this


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It's a secular holiday with pagan origins that are all but irrelevant. Christians can celebrate it without challenging their faith.
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#18
Well also Christmas is a Pagan holiday and every christains believe the lie about jesus being born then.
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#19
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It isn't intended to celebrate Paganism anymore. Hell, plenty of Christmas is based around some Pagan holiday. It's the intent of the celebration not the origin. So, to answer your question, no it's no hypocritical.

Yeah, the winter solstice. They were like "we get no people to come in this time!" so someone else was like "Let's have a... Christ Mass."

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#20
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The Dark Ages? Try the Roman Empire.

to me, the dark ages begin a couple decades before the fall of the western roman empire, so you're proabbly right
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I'm pretty sure no one knows the origin of holidays in Christendom, save Easter, the only Christian holiday worth having. Halloween is pagan you say? Well Christmas was created to boost winter church attendance so there.



christmas is another pagan holiday turned christain by catholics
search Saturnalia
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#22
I am raised as a Catholic, and I never really encountered Christians not celebrating Halloween. Where I come from, everyone is pretty open-minded about it. I don't get why some people can get close-minded about it. It's all just a bit of fun. You're only harming yourself if you close yourself off to what other people feel. I don't really see the harm. It's not like this day is going to harm your beliefs, is it?

So yeah, I hear it being called the Fall Festival sometimes, but like the TS said, it's pumpkins


EDIT: I forgot, there's All Souls Day, too.
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#23
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The Dark Ages? Try the Roman Empire.


But, if you say that, you have to say what era of the Roman Empire.

The older times were "Pagan" (there was no Christianity to make it Pagan at the time), but the later ages had the rise of the Byzantine Empire, Christianity, and Catholocism.

Not trying to argue, I just thought it was worth mentioning that it wasn't THAT long ago, but it was still a while ago.

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No, they just use the day. December 25th was the day adopted as the day to celebrate the birth of Christ. Christ + mas (birth) = Christmas.

But December 25th is also the supposed birthdate and day of celebration in other religions and such as well. So, yes, it's another "taken holiday", but it's only "half taken", imo.
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#24
FOR THE RECORD!

im not saying to change what you believe or anything, simply stating facts and hoping for serious answers (in the pit? what?!)
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#25
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I'm pretty sure no one knows the origin of holidays in Christendom, save Easter, the only Christian holiday worth having. Halloween is pagan you say? Well Christmas was created to boost winter church attendance so there.

Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about. But I admire your brass.

If you'd read a few books, you'd discover that the origin of Christian holidays are very well documented. All Hallow's Eve, for instance, is the night before All Saints Day, the day of the liturgical calendar when Christians celebrate those who have died in the previous year.

It is a Catholic holidy, though it has absorbed many pre-Christian pagan harvest traditions.
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#26
halloween is boring. i just end up beating little kids up, stealing their candy and eating them. i mean stealing their candy and giving some of it back.
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christmas is another pagan holiday turned christain by catholics
search Saturnalia

says ONE THEORY. There are actually several...

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#29
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But, if you say that, you have to say what era of the Roman Empire.

The older times were "Pagan" (there was no Christianity to make it Pagan at the time), but the later ages had the rise of the Byzantine Empire, Christianity, and Catholocism.

Not trying to argue, I just thought it was worth mentioning that it wasn't THAT long ago, but it was still a while ago.


No, they just use the day. December 25th was the day adopted as the day to celebrate the birth of Christ. Christ + mas (birth) = Christmas.

But December 25th is also the supposed birthdate and day of celebration in other religions and such as well. So, yes, it's another "taken holiday", but it's only "half taken", imo.



oh damn
not this argument....

Christian = use the bible
Bible says Jesus was born when the shepards had their flocks out
this only happens in the summer
therefore Jesus was born in the summer

christmas is in the winter
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#30
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oh damn
not this argument....

Christian = use the bible
Bible says Jesus was born when the shepards had their flocks out
this only happens in the summer
therefore Jesus was born in the summer

christmas is in the winter


I wasn't trying to argue. I was just saying it's the day used to celebrate his birth, and it just eventually became the "standard" for the day he was born.

I wasn't saying I believe he was born on that day, I was just saying it was only "half taken" from other holidays.
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#31
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oh damn
not this argument....

Christian = use the bible
Bible says Jesus was born when the shepards had their flocks out
this only happens in the summer
therefore Jesus was born in the summer

christmas is in the winter

The fun part is, Christmas is now Halloween on crack.

You go door to door and adults give you candy.

You go house to house and exchange presents.

Materialism makes me sad.

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I wasn't trying to argue. I was just saying it's the day used to celebrate his birth, and it just eventually became the "standard" for the day he was born.

I wasn't saying I believe he was born on that day, I was just saying it was only "half taken" from other holidays.



oh ok
sorry bout that
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oh ok
sorry bout that


No problems. No offense taken.
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#34
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oh damn
not this argument....

Christian = use the bible
Bible says Jesus was born when the shepards had their flocks out
this only happens in the summer
therefore Jesus was born in the summer

christmas is in the winter


Please end your intellectual superiority act. It's neither convincing nor entertaining.

The Christian liturgical year is designed to represent the life of Christ and the early church in a year, not to accurately depict historical dates. Easter (the most important holiday) is placed in Spring at the symbolic time of rebirth. Lent and Christmas are at a point in the year to allow a symbolic progession through the life of Christ up to Easter and beyond.

I don't know what time of year Jesus was born, and neither do you. But it doesn't really matter.
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#35
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halloween has nothing to do with christianity
i hope we can all agree on that, because simply put; its a fact
in fact its a watered down pagan holiday
i hope we can all agree on that because, simply put; its a fact

so does that make christians who celebrate it hypocrites?
seeing as how christianity is 'supposed' to be void of other religions beliefs entirely?


so because muslims believe in an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent god, we can't believe that? what i italicized is blatantly false. some things pagans believe are true. some things muslims believe are true. some things hindus believe are true. the christian view (or at least catholic view is, i can't speak for others) is that we're the ones who have the 100% correct test while others have 70%, maybe 90%, 40%, etc. they got a lot of questions right but they get a lot wrong. get the concept? good.

it's not even a religious celebration. the day afterwards, all saints day, is a religious event. and the next day, all souls day, is too. there is no christian significance of halloween other than the name (hallow - saint)

wiki has this to say:

Celtic Christians may have Samhain services that focus on the cultural aspects of the holiday, in the belief that many ancient Celtic customs are "compatible with the new Christian religion. Christianity embraced the Celtic notions of family, community, the bond among all people, and respect for the dead. Throughout the centuries, pagan and Christian beliefs intertwine in a gallimaufry (hodgepodge) of celebrations from October 31 through November 5, all of which appear both to challenge the ascendancy of the dark and to revel in its mystery."
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#36
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Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about. But I admire your brass.

If you'd read a few books, you'd discover that the origin of Christian holidays are very well documented. All Hallow's Eve, for instance, is the night before All Saints Day, the day of the liturgical calendar when Christians celebrate those who have died in the previous year.

It is a Catholic holidy, though it has absorbed many pre-Christian pagan harvest traditions.


Either I dreamed that or something very wrong happened in the editing stages of my AP European history book. It had it in like the late Middle Ages. If it's documented back to Pope Julius I, then that's clearly bollocks. Curse contradictory evidence...

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#37
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The fun part is, Christmas is now Halloween on crack.

You go door to door and adults give you candy.

You go house to house and exchange presents.

Materialism makes me sad.

You know what the best part of that is? The gift-giving is a pagan tradition.
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#38
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Please end your intellectual superiority act. It's neither convincing nor entertaining.

(1)The Christian liturgical year is designed to represent the life of Christ and the early church in a year, not to accurately depict historical dates. (2)Easter (the most important holiday) is placed in Spring at the symbolic time of rebirth. Lent and Christmas are at a point in the year to allow a symbolic progession through the life of Christ up to Easter and beyond.

(3)I don't know what time of year Jesus was born, and neither do you. But it doesn't really matter.



all right bro, heres what we'll do
i'll take your points one at a time, cool?

1) prove it
2) show me where in the bible, seeing as how its the only document that would hold any water in this case, it says to celebrate christs birth, it says to commemorate his death but never his birth
3) if you would bother reading, and doing a little side research youd come to find that all scriptural proof points to christ being born in summer
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#39
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You know what the best part of that is? The gift-giving is a pagan tradition.

How about that.

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"WE TAKE YO HOLIDAY BIATCH!"

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all right bro, heres what we'll do
i'll take your points one at a time, cool?

Okay...

1) prove it

Where is your proof? I have just supplied you with a whole lot of information. I'm still waiting on anything of the kind from you. But here's some reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgical_year

2) show me where in the bible, seeing as how its the only document that would hold any water in this case, it says to celebrate christs birth, it says to commemorate his death but never his birth

What are you talking about? I have no idea what you mean by this. There are Christian holidays commemorating both Christ's birth and Christ's death, not to mention many other events in his life.

But here's a note: Easter is not a commemoration of Christ's death. If you don't know that, you have no business even having this conversation.
3) if you would bother reading, and doing a little side research youd come to find that all scriptural proof points to christ being born in summer

Judging from scripture, it is most likely that Christ was born in the Spring or Summer, yes. But so what?
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