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#1
right before everyone jumps in with 8 (and 12 for the smart-arses) lets count them

1)A
2)B
3)C
4)D
5)E
6)F
7)G

yes, 8.

come on then theory buffs, dazzle me.

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#3
dude, read the post

EDIT:

Quote by LeperAffinity
A, A#/Bb, B, C, C#/Db, D, D#/Eb, E, F, F#/Gb, A (octave)

12



F#/Gb, A....


run that past me again
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#5
An octave is 12 notes, ie. every note going up or down from your starting note until you reach the same note at a different pitch. Sharps count as notes
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#6
Quote by LeperAffinity
A, A#/Bb, B, C, C#/Db, D, D#/Eb, E, F, F#/Gb, A (octave)

12


yeah but that chromatic, if your doing a real key signiture whether major, minor dim, or aug, its always gonna be 8
#7
^threadstarter never stated it was in a key. so 12 is right.
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#9
I believe you're simply not counting the octave note (another "A" note).

1)A
2)B
3)C
4)D
5)E
6)F
7)G
8)A
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#10
Chromatically speaking:
A perfect octave (8th) is the interval between two pitches that are 12 semitones apart.

Diatonically speaking:
A perfect octave is 8 notes apart. If you understand intervals then you know that there are 8 notes in a diatonic octave.
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#12
Quote by NightEmbers
yeah but that chromatic, if your doing a real key signiture whether major, minor dim, or aug, its always gonna be 8


You can't have a major key signature. Or a minor diminished key signature (What is that, anyways?). Or an augmented key signature. All of those imply tonality—a key signature doesn't do that.


An octave has 12 tones. It's that simple. Not 8—12. What the hell is the point of this thread?

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#13
I'm afraid I don't know what you're asking if that wasn't the answer? That is how many notes there are between an octave.
#14
fgs, listen to me.

read my 1st post, im on about the regular notes (not sharp/flat)

theres 7, a,b,c,d,e,f,g.


that aint no 8 boi....
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Quote by LeperAffinity
A, A#/Bb, B, C, C#/Db, D, D#/Eb, E, F, F#/Gb, A (octave)

12


You missed G man...
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fgs, listen to me.

read my 1st post, im on about the regular notes (not sharp/flat)

theres 7, a,b,c,d,e,f,g.


that aint no 8 boi....



It's 8 because the 8th is the octave... Or 12 inc. sharps obviously
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#17
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fgs, listen to me.

read my 1st post, im on about the regular notes (not sharp/flat)

theres 7, a,b,c,d,e,f,g.


that aint no 8 boi....

wtf? regular notes??? when were sharps/flats irregular???
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#20
It's simply the way he was counting it. He forgot to count the octave note using that method, so he was coming up with 7...
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#21
Quote by Revalk

1)A
2)B
3)C
4)D
5)E
6)F
7)G
8)A


hang on, i sense logic afoot.

BUT surely A is in the next octave up from A.

then in like 7 octaves time you'll be 8 steps out again
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#22
Quote by stevo_epi_SG_wo
fgs, listen to me.

read my 1st post, im on about the regular notes (not sharp/flat)

theres 7, a,b,c,d,e,f,g.


that aint no 8 boi....


You forgot the last A.

Theres 8: A B C D E F G A

This is a full octave. The interval between A and G is a minor 7th, not a perfect octave.
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#23
umm i think he just wants all of our brains to spontaneously combust as we try to get what hes talking about...cause i have no clue what the question is.
an octave is 8 notes hence the name OCTA-ve... but sharps counts so 12 semitones
#24
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wtf? regular notes??? when were sharps/flats irregular???


jebus i dont know the technical term for "notes which have no 'sharp' or 'flat' symbol next to them"
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#25
TS...

...ur a douche. its 8 notes cuz u count the ocave note.
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#26
OMG

so its...

octave 1...

a
b
c
d
e
f
g
a

octave 2...

b
c
d
e
f
g
a
b

?????
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#27
Octave

Oct = 8

The reason you're wrong is that A - G isn't actually an octave, you need to go up to the next A for it to be an octave.
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#28
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jebus i dont know the technical term for "notes which have no 'sharp' or 'flat' symbol next to them"

natural?
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#29
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jebus i dont know the technical term for "notes which have no 'sharp' or 'flat' symbol next to them"


Then why are you proposing that an octave only consists of 7 notes?

You have one octave: A1 B1 C1 D1 E1 F1 G1 A2
You have another octave: A2 B2 C2 D2 E2 F2 G2 A3
You have yet another octave: A3 B3 C3 D3 E3 F3 G3 A4

Get it? They overlap on the tonic. There is no time paradox here.
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#30
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jebus i dont know the technical term for "notes which have no 'sharp' or 'flat' symbol next to them"

that's a misconception for piano players. because all the "white" keys are the ones without sharps and flats. if u play guitar, and if u tune down half step, everything goes down right? so all the notes are same interval apart from each other. get me? so you cant omit the sharps and flats.
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#31
so every 'A' is in two octaves, and music theory is slightly out of sync with the science obsessed world i live in?


THATS ALL YOU HAD TO SAY!!!!!!


also: natural notes, i think i did know that, thanks to whoever it was lol
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#32
u count the first A again, its:
a
b
c
d
e
f
g
edit:a

for the first octave, then :
a
b
c
d
e
f
g
edit:a

again, where the first a in the second octave is the last a in the first octave. u always count the first and last notes both to count an interval
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#33
damn, i actually forgot the second a in both of those in my last post, im an idiot
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#34
Quote by stevo_epi_SG_wo
so every 'A' is in two octaves, and music theory is slightly out of sync with the science obsessed world i live in?


THATS ALL YOU HAD TO SAY!!!!!!


also: natural notes, i think i did know that, thanks to whoever it was lol


GRRASHDAH!!! It makes perfect scientific sense!!!

An octave isn't defined as A to A. An octave is simply double of half the frequency on the original note. In music, A2 is double the frequency of A1, which is why they sound so similar. It follows, then, that in order to complete a full octave and double the frequency of the tonic, one must raise the pitch by 8 diatonic notes. This is one full octave.

Oh, and halving the frequency (going down an octave) is possible as well. Going from A2 down to A1 is a full octave.
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#35
so, the 'a's overlap, music theory is a bit odd. yahtzee!

im now going to leave this forum, and never return, ive never seen so much closed mindedness, arrogance and elitism in one place.

thanks for clearing that up for me tho
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#36
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GRRASHDAH!!! It makes perfect scientific sense!!!

An octave isn't defined as A to A. An octave is simply double of half the frequency on the original note. In music, A2 is double the frequency of A1, which is why they sound so similar. It follows, then, that in order to complete a full octave and double the frequency of the tonic, one must raise the pitch by 8 diatonic notes. This is one full octave.


....that too

i just assumed an octave was like...say a metre. you fill it, and when its full you start a new one. and theres a definative border BETWEEN the two measurements.

i doubt that made any sense

nevermind
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#37
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so, the 'a's overlap, music theory is a bit odd. yahtzee


It makes perfect sense.

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Closed mindedness? I'll admit there is a lot of elitism and arrogance, but in all fairness, you attempted to prove centuries of music theory wrong and you don't even know what an accidental is.
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#38
well if really either 7 or 8.

It depends if you count the octave as another note, theoretically speaking its the same note as the first, just 8va. so really speaking, if your diong t without sharps and flats, theres seven, because the first and last notes are the same notes.
#39
an octave is 12 semitones however you want to count it out. this does equal out to be 7 degrees (with the 8th as a new octave) you don't count the roots octave double because it starts a new octave. A4 is not a part of the A3 octave range.
#40
Im going to be different and say 1 note =]

And TS you shouldn't be so arrogant and people might respect you more. Also try looking into a topic before you start arguing with people about it. Someone post a RFTS if it has it in there...
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