#1
Hi

Have been searching for a new guitar and have fallen in love with the 'SG' Style in black.

Gibson out of the question due to cost so have located the following within budget (UK) and would love to hear comparisons if possible.

Epiphone SG Special: £129
Vintage VS6: £135
Westfield E2000 £135
Epiphone G400 (Cherry red) £239

Not keen on the Iommi signature Epiphone so will get one from the above. One I would probably go for is the G400 but only series in black is the Imommi and Goth, both of which have custom frets which i'm not keen on!!

Two guitar shops locally. One is raving about Vintage VS6 other one is saying stay clear, it's rubbish....pushing Epiphone G400 instead. He is a sales man at the end of the day!

My style: Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Tool, Metallica etc

Hope you can help
#2
I would say epi g-400
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#3
the g-400 would be your best choice.
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#4
I've got a G400 and it plays pretty nicely.
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#6
gonna go with the eppi

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#8
I own a G400 and I say go for it. I would replace the pickguard with a full one if you could though, instead of that little one they put on 'em
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#9
they make them with the bigger pick guards, but I think those cost like 100 more...its the deluxe series or something rather..
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#10
A G-400 with a big pickguard (from WDMusic.com) and maybe a pickup change, and u should be set. SG Specials are absolute beginner guitars, on the same level as LP Special IIs and Affinity Strats. Stay away from brands like Jay Turser and brands like that. Sure, there cheap, and they might look cool, but unless u wanna overhaul the wiring soon, its not worth it IMO. Epi does make an SG 1966 reissue, which comes in black and has a big pickguard. Its about $300 american for it, so it shouldnt be much more than the G-400. If u can live without the pickguard, ESP makes the Viper, an SG style guitar best for heavy music.
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they make them with the bigger pick guards, but I think those cost like 100 more...its the deluxe series or something rather..



Nope limited edition, ive the the delxue and its got the smaller one.

Also the small pickguards are modeled from the sixties Gibson SG's. Their not epiphone pickguards.
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#13
My first guitar was a G400, and it was alright.

Pretty mediocre, not bad, not good.

I'd take a look to see if you could get a Samick TR2 instead.

Better specs, better weight distribution.

I'm not sure if/where you can get Samicks over there, though.
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#14
Thanks for some great feedback.

Would still be keen to see if there is much difference between the Vintage Vs6 and the Epi G400 for thos that have got/played both?

Still love black so make look for the '66 reissue epi g400 but doubt I would get if for the same price as the standard G400
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Find a tokai SG they make better SGs that epiphone.


+1, japanese tokais are nice. Edwards are also sweet, though I haven't tried their sg. Have to ship from japan, though (it's worth it!).

How much can you realistically get up to, and what's your amp, threadstarter?
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#17
I can get the Epi G400 vintage for £239 and I probably wouldn't go much more than that (nagging wife and 2 kids to feed) Gonna get a 15w Spider 3 amp to go with it as it suits my needs i.e. Led Zep & AC/DC and I won't need any more watt. as I will only be playing at home!
#18
Now I shall elaborate more on what I said earlier that was backed up by Dave MC.

Japenese made guitars are generally better all round and Tokai always have had good feedback, also the ones I tried at my local guitar shop were very nice. But the lower end ones are made of Nato which is apparently "Eastern mahogany" but it's closer to agathis which isnt good unless you're pumping a lot of gain through it (Ie, active pickups).

EDIT: http://www.tokai-guitars.co.uk/main.htm

Get onto the "loverock" section of the site, the USG100 and 60 (I think it was) or the Korina one are the ones to get the others are made of Nato.
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#19
I got one of those westfields for free. It sounds good but the neck and general construction is pretty sucky.
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I can get the Epi G400 vintage for £239 and I probably wouldn't go much more than that (nagging wife and 2 kids to feed) Gonna get a 15w Spider 3 amp to go with it as it suits my needs i.e. Led Zep & AC/DC and I won't need any more watt. as I will only be playing at home!


don't get a spider for led zep or ac/dc- a vox valvetronix would be better, or even one of the 5 watt tube amps- peavey valveking royal 8, perhaps.

£239... i'm not sure what's available that's any better than that epi for £239... I haven't tried the epi, unfortunately, so I'd best stay out of that argument...

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don't get a spider for led zep or ac/dc- a vox valvetronix would be better, or even one of the 5 watt tube amps- peavey valveking royal 8, perhaps.

£239... i'm not sure what's available that's any better than that epi for £239... I haven't tried the epi, unfortunately, so I'd best stay out of that argument...

Not sure if they're better per se, but there's the Vintage VS6 which I personally prefer over the G400, the Standard G400 is dirt cheap these days too.

+1 on a small valve amp for Classic Rock. Valveking Royal 8 is what you need, sirrah.
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#22
as i said, I haven't tried it.

on the amp front.
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#23
I've got the vintage one

It's really not that bad
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#24
Good call on the amp! I was playing through my mates Spider 3 earlier with his battered Ibanez and wasn't that impressed with the sound while playing some ac/dc through it. Couldn't seem to get the "classic rock" sound I was after. Will look into the peavey valveking royal 8 seeing as two of you have brought it up......thanks
#25
Okay the local guitar shop is ordering in the standard G400 and the two Vintage ones (worn cherry and worn brown). I will take whichever i think feels right.

Have been looking at other threads on this site re: Epiphone G400 and they seem to have a bit of a bad rep! Should I maybe look for something else? Any G400 lovers out there wanna put a case forward?
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Okay the local guitar shop is ordering in the standard G400 and the two Vintage ones (worn cherry and worn brown). I will take whichever i think feels right.

Have been looking at other threads on this site re: Epiphone G400 and they seem to have a bit of a bad rep! Should I maybe look for something else? Any G400 lovers out there wanna put a case forward?



I'm not a G400 lover, nor an Epiphone buff, but I have a good feeling most of the bad rep is coming from people who are:

a) using it with a bad amp or unable to EQ a good one.

b) playing the G400 when it's not properly set up.

If you have the people at the shop set it up for you, or even better, if you do it yourself, you'll probably end up with a very nice instrument.
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#27
I'm very fond on my G-400, it sounds alot nicer then my other set-neck SG clone.
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#28
I have a vintage VS6, and despite the fact that I now have a PRS Custom 22, I frequently play my good ol' Vintage.

Go figure.
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I have a vintage VS6, and despite the fact that I now have a PRS Custom 22, I frequently play my good ol' Vintage.

Go figure.



I too love my VS6. There's something special about them.
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