#1
What are some relatively dark-sounding scales? I was in a blues band and just recently started a more grunge-based one, but minor pentatonic doesn't sound very uh...grungy, I guess. Anyone have something in mind for me? Thanks.
#2
minor pentatonic is fine if you use it right. Also try full minor scale (and hence relative major)
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#3
diminished
augmented 5th
harmonic minor
locrian mode
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#4
Aeolian (Natural Minor)
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#5
Superlocrian
Phrygian Dominant
Melodic Minor.
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#6
I'm quite fond of harmonic minors and diminished scales. Those are my two most frequently used ones in my own solos.
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#8
In order from bright to dark Ionian, Mixolydian, Dorian, Aeolian, Phrygian, Locrian, Lydian. At least for the modes. You can also mix em major/minor into pentatonic then back again.
#9
^ Lydian, darker than Locrian?

I'd put them in this order, myself:

 Bright

Ionian     1  2  3  4  5  6  7

Mixolydian 1  2  3  4  5  6 b7

Lydian     1  2  3 #4  5  6  7

Dorian     1  2 b3  4  5  6 b7

Aeolian    1  2 b3  4  5 b6 b7

Phrygian   1 b2 b3  4  5 b6 b7

Locrian    1 b2 b3  4 b5 b6 b7

 Dark

Although you can make some of them sound bright or dark.
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#10
wow and no offense but i thought i was a guitar nerd.......... ive only heard of like dorian mode and what not lol im a noob in that area *someone teach me please*
#11
Quote by convictionless
wow and no offense but i thought i was a guitar nerd.......... ive only heard of like dorian mode and what not lol im a noob in that area *someone teach me please*

Look in the Music Theory FAQ in Musicians Talk. Strictly speaking, that's where this thread should be.
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#13
Generally, flattening degrees of the scale makes it sound "darker". Scales that include some chromaticism also give an atonal sound that can be described as dark. For example, having the b3, 3 and 4. Or 4, b5 and 5. It depends how you approach the scale, too. Just running up and down it by step may not sound as dark as making larger leaps, and maybe using out-of-scale passing notes from time to time.

Also, using awkward rhythms in your playing can help.


b2 = very dark. Eastern-sounding when used with 3

b3 = generally dark. Having this makes a scale "minor"

b4 = 3, so not dark unless used with a flattened degree

b5 = the tritone; especially dark if you don't use the 5 at all

b6 = sad/dark, esp. when used with the 5

b7 = not specifically dark; 7 can be darker
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#14
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wow and no offense but i thought i was a guitar nerd.......... ive only heard of like dorian mode and what not lol im a noob in that area *someone teach me please*

No such thing as a guitar nerd. Although I am, since I am a computer whiz ._.

but anyways, melodic minor is very dark sounding.
#15
|--------------------------------------3-4-6--
|------------------------------3-4-6----------
|-------------------------3-5-----------------
|-----------------3-6-7----------------------
|---------3-5-7------------------------------
|-3-4-6--------------------------------------

I think that's... KIND OF dark. Kind of jazzy too.

I think It's Ionian.
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#16
^ This would be D# Ionian:

|--------------------------------------3-4-6--
|------------------------------3-4-6----------
|-------------------------3-5-----------------
|-----------------3-5-6----------------------
|---------3-5-6------------------------------
|-3-4-6--------------------------------------

Unless you take the first note there to be the root, in which case it would be G Phrygian.
#17
Oh sorry mine was D# Aeolian.
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#18
F# Harmonic minor is very dark sounding. I also use A harmonic minor on all of my creepier sounding songs. Harmonic minor as a whole can completely change the tone of everthing, just with one raised note.
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#19
If you want dark then Locrian and diminished are probably the way to go. Used properly they give that effect the best of all.