#1
Okay, so I finally filtered down my choices and it's between these two (I believe). Which one would handle death metal, Unearth, Dream Theater and shred better?

Any help is GREATLY appreciated.

EDIT: I'll most likely be using a TS-esque pedal to boost the amp. And will be most likely get a Vader cab.

EDIT 2: which one is the least forgiving?
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#2
I think a Fireball will do Death metal well, and if u have a good OD pedal, itll do anything i think. except good cleans. lots of hi-gain amps, like a 5150, have trouble with good cleans.
#4
Actually I heard the FB had decent cleans...
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#5
iv always thought engl had gd cleans. if i were in ur postion, i would save up for an engl powerball
#6
I had a Fireball for a few months the gain knob doesnt need to be past noon so the shared gain is no problem. Cleans are pretty good dont even need a chorus. The dirt on the Fireball is way better heavy as **** especially with a vader i played it through one so ****ing heavy. oh you wont need a boost its super tight more gain then you could ever need.

Great Amp

Fireball>>>>>>5150
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#7
Oh rly? Even if the 5150 is biased warmer?

EDIT: Syn, how does the FB handle shred?

EDIT 2: http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Guitar+Amp/product/Engl/Fireball+Head/100/1

FB looking not so good now...
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#8
with the mids turned up it has a great lead tone cuts very nice
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#9
It's not just that. It's the reliability and customer support too:

Well, I haven't had an problems yet, but I had a Thunder 50 which had poor build quality, and this one is no better. They use very cheap materials and shoddy techniques to put the cabinet together (MDF cabinet, plastic stand-offs on the PCB, not enough bracing in areas). Fit and finish is poor. The grill was completely puched in when I got mine delivered. I had to "re-engineer" the grill onto the cab again. Fortunately, I am a wood worker and I could make it better.

I do not believe this thing could stand up to abuse.

For an amp of this supposed "premium" level, they need to realize that electronics are only one aspect to the package.

Taken from the HC review page.
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#10
every gig i play i hear at least 3 5150s and my fireball kills them all in my opinion. I am a liitle biased tho becasue no one knows how to setup an amp these days, they all scoop the mids completely and crank the presence completely and their guitars sound like nothing then. The fireball is much less brittle then 5150s, its heavy and cuts but doesnt make yu cringe. if you honestly like the 5150 over a fireball i would be extreemely suprised, but to each his own.
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#11
Well, I've never tried a FB for that matter...
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#12
Although the only Engl I've actually heard is my Engl preamp, I would most likely choose the Engl, if it sounds similar to my E530 preamp. I've never auditioned a "modded 5150," but I played through a stock 6505+ all day today. Further, if the following three were the same price, the Engl, 5150, and Soldano Avenger, I'd choose the Avenger. I played a Soldano SLO Friday night, and was ruined forever.

Also, with the right head, you don't need a boost pedal, IMO (at least, I wouldn't).
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#13
Dude if your worried bout cleans, get the screamer. Awsome distortion and cleans
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#14
But the FB has good (or at least decent) cleans too.
I'm not sure if the Screamer would handle darker tones, I've heard it's REALLY bright.

I can get the Peavey used easily, and with FJA mods it'll cost a little more than a new stock 6505.
The FB and the Avenger are harder to find on ebay.
I've heard the Mark IV is also around that price range used. Is that right?
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#15
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But the FB has good (or at least decent) cleans too.
I'm not sure if the Screamer would handle darker tones, I've heard it's REALLY bright.

I can get the Peavey used easily, and with FJA mods it'll cost a little more than a new stock 6505.
The FB and the Avenger are harder to find on ebay.
I've heard the Mark IV is also around that price range used. Is that right?

fair call, but that's what the presence knob is for...
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#16
Fireball wil lhandle bright and dark tones all you have to do is turn down the treble and presence and it gets nice and dark
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#17
The fireball has great cleans for a high gain amp.. There is a sound clip in my profile.. The opeth riff.. Its Fireball clean.. Check it out..

If you have a single coil neck PU, use the bright switch to get acoustic sounds.. Its actually very nice for high gain
#18
+1`for the Fireball.

It rawks my socks right off.

There's alot of Fireball owners all of sudden, and ALOT of Fireball threads.
#19
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Taken from the HC review page.


I bought a thunder last week. already managed to drop it (my tubes survived, yay) but the is like a tank. If the grille was punched in then someone had set the box sidewards and had a sumo jump on it. This of course would destroy the grill of any amp with a solid grille. Really tough wood construction, steel corner braces, steel grille, aluminium face plate, steel cage protecting the tubes etc etc.

That guy obviously had a messed up courier delivering his. Maybe a fender nazi or something?

The fireball allegedly has a plastic grill (so says ZakkWylde02 or whatever his name is) but I'm convinced it's also steel, just painted grey as is mine.
Regardless I think that the reliability is excellent.
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#20
My fireball was built like a tank. Brackets on all the corners, tight tube sockets, all around great construction and it sounded like a monster. I cant remember if the grill was metal or not but it was tough if it is plastic its not cheap flimsy plastic its pretty sturdy
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#21
10000% full metal grill
The only problem is that its not screwed properly.. Only on the sides.. Not the top, that makes it kind of weak
#22
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+1`for the Fireball.

It rawks my socks right off.

There's alot of Fireball owners all of sudden, and ALOT of Fireball threads.


i noticed this too, which makes me glad i got mine a while back becasue the price is gonna go up and the quality is gonna go down if all these people start buying them up, im scared, ive seen it happen too many times ( *cough madison cough*)
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#23
yea engl amps arent a secret tip any more....

oh and yes go for the fireball!
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#24
Well Madison is run by A-holes...
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#25
I really like my 6505+, especially with a MXR 10-band, really gets heavy and tight.

I have not played an ENGL Fireball though. But i have heard good things.

To the person who said they hear 3 5150's every show and they sound like ****, its true haha. Because everyband i play pretty much has one but they all scoop the **** out've they're mids. So it always sounds muddy and like balls. When you don't scoop your mids however it does sound really good.
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#26
Does anybody know about Soldano Avengers?
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#28
I didn't like the V3 clips.

Peavey JSX anyone? I tried one out today: liked the cleans, singing lead, but the crunch channel was broken and I didn't try to get any DM tones as I didn't have a downtuned guitar at hand.

EDIT: would't mind using a boost either.
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#30
Where's the rhythm tones?
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#31
^apparently the JSX does not get very brutal for death metal.

The v3 does look like it would suit pretty well for what your after.
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#32
Bah guess that means another trip to the store.
I don't know though, I've heard mixed reviews about it and I can't try it out.
And I couldn't really get a good overiew of the JSX, this other guy was showing off with his Ub3R K00L Sk1LLZ and drowning me out.
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#33
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I really like my 6505+, especially with a MXR 10-band, really gets heavy and tight.

I have not played an ENGL Fireball though. But i have heard good things.

To the person who said they hear 3 5150's every show and they sound like ****, its true haha. Because everyband i play pretty much has one but they all scoop the **** out've they're mids. So it always sounds muddy and like balls. When you don't scoop your mids however it does sound really good.



haha thank you. it one of those "dont blame the amp blame the player" situations. yeah actually when you scoop them the dont sound like anything, its just noise i cant hear a note. nothing would make me happier than to walk into a gig and hear someone just really rip a 5150.
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#34
I would go with the fireball. Engls are notoriously good amps. You might want to do a little reseach into Laboga Amplifiers as well. They can get a recto tone for about $800.
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#35
^hahah ya, t'is true man. ****in' n00bs that phail

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#36
MESAexplorer, any more insight on the Laboga?

And how does the FB handle shred? I'm getting more and more into lead playing now.

EDIT: could it do Firewind stuff?
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