#1
So in english class the guy around me were talking about guitars. Now I stayed out of the conversation because they aren't much for conversation (I mentioned the major scale and they thought i was making **** up). So I listened since i really didn't feel like rerading any further and they were talking about specific guitars and there disortion...like one said the I love the distortion in bc rich guitars.

So I turned around and said there idiot guitars themselves don't have distortion your pedals amps and w/e else you use is where the distortion comes from. Think about it what is distortion what ever sounds come out of that input jack is the guitars sound. Maybe you could say guitars have distortion in them if you count like harmonics put thats pushing it. The only way your gonna get distortion in a guitar is if you had some really fancy ass thing similar to the fenders vg but with distortion features.

the proceeed to say I have no idea what I'm talking about w/e.

Then one asks me is there any difference between gibson and epiphone besides where there made. I say gibsons sound better usually and epiphones often will break easier than the gibson counterpart. And yeah as you said where there made. Then one ****ing snaps saying sayign there are 100% identical its just where there made and he has palyed and epiphone les paul beside a gibson les paul and they sounded exacly the same and so on.


So my question is just confirmation that I'm right guitars have no distortion built right in and epiphones and gibsons are different in more way than just where they are made.
Guitar:
Floyd Rose discovery series 3 (with speed loader bridge)
Gibson Les paul studio
Pedals:
Zoom G2.1U pedal
Amps:
vox valvetronix 50 watt
Dean "stack in a box" headphone amp
#2
Yeah your right, you should get a petition signed to bulldoze their houses.
#4
haha would love to. Yeah well I was pretty confident I was right but I though I should at least double check so If i was wrong I don't look like some idiot who's also an asshole because even though he's wrong still yells thinking he is right.
Guitar:
Floyd Rose discovery series 3 (with speed loader bridge)
Gibson Les paul studio
Pedals:
Zoom G2.1U pedal
Amps:
vox valvetronix 50 watt
Dean "stack in a box" headphone amp
#6
what a bunch of retards,
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#7
different types of pickups and bodies/bridge/woods, etc can color the type of distortion you get when using amps and pedals. Some pickups are "hotter" and distort more easily than others, it has to do with how many winds of wire are in them. Yes, different kinds of guitars will produce different types of distortion on the same amp at the same settings. That said, most kids sitting in your english class probably couldn't tell the difference anyway. You're right that distortion comes from the amps, it's just certain pickups can push more energy into an amp causing it to distort at a lower gain setting.

Also, epiphones are generally terrible, except for some of the nicer models, while gibson guitars are not. Ephiphones are made of scrap wood, not AAAA cuts like many gibsons, they are made of many pieces of wood so the sustain is different. The fretwork, paintjobs, soldering, and hardware instillation on an epiphone is not done as carefully as on a gibson, so they are not as sturdy or comofortable to play. And the electronics are generally different, so most gibsons have better sounding pickups and better shielding and wiring than most epiphones. (not to mention real tunners and bridges)

THese are generalities, there are exceptions, is a epiphone casino going to have a better build quality than a gibson melody maker? 9 times out of 10 yes. But the former is $600 while the latter is $300-350.

THey're right different guitars produce different distortion, but you're right gibson's are better in build quality and parts than epiphones. That said, don't be a begginer fan boy that assumes gibson guitars are the best thing out there hands down. I didn't say that, just that they're better than epis.
Last edited by dullsilver_mike at Nov 4, 2007,
#8
Did you try pulling out the "does Wayne Brady have to choke a Guitar noob?"
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#9
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Ephiphones are made of scrap wood, not AAAA cuts like many gibsons, they are made of many pieces of wood so the sustain is different.
This was true for mid and lower range Epis until about two years ago. Then around that time, they started using decent wood, but still the wrong type of wood of course. Then a year or so ago, they started using only the 100% correct wood - exactly the same as the full Gibson versions. They even upgraded the maple tops they use to AA to better match the Gibson counterparts. Now, only the low end Epis (Studio, 100, Special-II, Junior) use lower grade woods and incorrect species of wood.

And of course, the high-end Epis have always been made with top-end stuff.


So, what the differences betwen Epi and Gibson are, depends on the model, and when it was made.

Generally speaking, for high-end Epis, like the Elitist series and the signatures like the Zakk Wylde and Joe Perry signature LPs, there is very, very little difference between the Epi versions and the Gibsons. Typically, the only difference is all Epiphones have the same generic neck profile (Gibsons have either the 50's or 60's profile, or often the choice of either), and they use different types of finish (and whether that is better or worse just comes down to your personal preference - same goes for the necks really, I know lots of people who prefer the Epi necks anyway to either Gibson profile).

For mid-range Epis, the differences extend to the quality of the pickups and pots, and the egeneral construction. You can however find very well (amazingly well in fact) constructed mid-range Epis, if you shop around enough and try enough out.

Lower end Epis (Studio, 100 and below) do, as I said previously, still use either different species of wood in their construction, or lower grade wood (e.g. the Junior uses some god forsaken generic hacked together 'tonewood' that isn't officialy named; the Studio does use mahogany,
but it's of crap quality. Then again, the same can be said for the Gibson Studios which are crapply made too, so eh...), and this is on top of the same differences the mid-range Epis suffer from; cheap pickups, cheaper hardware, cheaper finishes. Again though, like the mid-ranges, sometimes if you're very lucky you can find a nice one. A friend of mine got an Epi LP Junior a while back which I modded for her, and actually I was quite pleasently surprised at how nice it was, considering it only cost her about £70.


Are Epi perfect? Lord no. Are they better than people give them credit for, and can they be potentially good if you know what you're looking for and are willing to dedicate time to finding a good one and working out it's kinks? Hell yes. I've got a lightly modded Epi LP Custom that hands-down is better than one of my Gibsons, and only a tiny bit behind my second. Epis may not be perfect, but don't write them off entirely.
#10
Quote by dullsilver_mike
different types of pickups and bodies/bridge/woods, etc can color the type of distortion you get when using amps and pedals. Some pickups are "hotter" and distort more easily than others, it has to do with how many winds of wire are in them. Yes, different kinds of guitars will produce different types of distortion on the same amp at the same settings. That said, most kids sitting in your english class probably couldn't tell the difference anyway. You're right that distortion comes from the amps, it's just certain pickups can push more energy into an amp causing it to distort at a lower gain setting.

Also, epiphones are generally terrible, except for some of the nicer models, while gibson guitars are not. Ephiphones are made of scrap wood, not AAAA cuts like many gibsons, they are made of many pieces of wood so the sustain is different. The fretwork, paintjobs, soldering, and hardware instillation on an epiphone is not done as carefully as on a gibson, so they are not as sturdy or comofortable to play. And the electronics are generally different, so most gibsons have better sounding pickups and better shielding and wiring than most epiphones. (not to mention real tunners and bridges)

THese are generalities, there are exceptions, is a epiphone casino going to have a better build quality than a gibson melody maker? 9 times out of 10 yes. But the former is $600 while the latter is $300-350.

THey're right different guitars produce different distortion, but you're right gibson's are better in build quality and parts than epiphones. That said, don't be a begginer fan boy that assumes gibson guitars are the best thing out there hands down. I didn't say that, just that they're better than epis.



YEah I already knew everything you just said. Not trying to be rude. Personally I do really like Gibson wll the les paul to be specific but there are plenty of great guitars no matter what the company is. Just as true different pickup different sound.
Guitar:
Floyd Rose discovery series 3 (with speed loader bridge)
Gibson Les paul studio
Pedals:
Zoom G2.1U pedal
Amps:
vox valvetronix 50 watt
Dean "stack in a box" headphone amp
#11
to bokuho: I did list these things as a generality, I didn't know that Epi had stepped up its woods quality in recent years, but understood that good things already came on high end epis. It's good to know they are doing a better job. I figure most people involved in these conversations in english class have pretty low level epis, and based my discussion off of that. I mentioned the Casino in there, and I'd have to say I'd take even the lowest-end casino any day of the week if it were offered to me, love them.

To the ts: I didn't mean to patronize you or anything, it's just the way you posted it sounded like you wanted a explanation of even the basics to prove that you were right, I thought I'd supply it . You should have just explained some of those things to the uneducated guys in your class to support your side of the argument.

I think I understand just where you're coming from, it's really annoying to listen to people go on and on when they don't have a clue, but you should explain to them why they're wrong and what's right if you're gonna call them out (like bokuho did to me about the wood used in epis lol). If they learn a little more, you might even enjoy talking about guitars with them.
#12
^I agree, Casino's are sexy...I want a natural finish one...


And I think, like with any guitar brand, there are good ones and bad ones. I have a Epi G-400. Replaced the pickups, electronics, did some work to it....New tuners...I think it sounds better and plays better than any of the Gibson SG Faded Special's I've played. Better than some Standards, too..
#14
People like that are just a waste of time to talk to. Most people just dont want to admit they are wrong about something in any way. We all know one the guy that has a better story than you no matter what the subject. I think there are a few oddball guitars that have a built in distortion. The first act for VW comes to mind you could plug it into the cars stereo. I learned a long time ago when you over hear people talking stupid things its just best to not involved. As for quality of guitars thats all subjective and opinion. One mans trash is anothers treasure.
#15
I love idiots... you need to punch them. They're so ****ing stupid. Seriously.

I bet they're preppy too. Like the kid who told me the Line 6 Spider II was the best amp you could get under $1000... yes, one-thousand. Die.
#16
you were right for the most part.

Gibson has high quality wood, better machines making them, better workers making them. Some people there have been making guitars for more than 20, 30 Years. not to mention the epiphone company has completly changed since it's old 1950 and 60's. those were good back then.
#17
if your friend couldn't hear the difference between an epi and a gibson he's probably tone deaf. you should be able to hear the higher quality pickups at very least.

gibsons are probably made with higher quality wood than non-japanese epiphones.

the distortion question is tricky- distortion, you correctly said, comes from your amp or pedals, but higher output pickups will distort your amp more quickly. so i guess you were half right there.
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