#1
im thinking of selling my VK and getting a smaller amp?
I dont gig often and i play in my bedroom, but i do play with friends and and will do the occasional gig. I understand that the 5 watts will be half as loud as as my 50 watt amp but can anyone tell me the pros and cons of getting a 5 watt amp vs having the 50 watt amp?
also any reccomendations for the 5 watter?
#2
5 watts will give you no clean headroom whatsoever at a gig unless you're mic'ing it up.

It will handle jams without a drummer fine, again with a drummer headroom is limited. (so long as it isnt a hard hitting drummer)

You should look into 15 watts
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#3
well i play alot of metal so that overdrive gain plus a pedal should be good right?
#4
5 would be enought to play by yourself, (i bought a 1 watt marshall and it was fine to practice) but you will be very limited playing with anyone else.
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well yes, but what metal? if you play modern stuff then there aren't really any 5 watters voiced for it.

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#6
Why are you so stupid? You couldn't gig with anything lower than 25 if you ask me.


5 Watts is a battery amp, they are for busking if you don't have an electric.


Don't be stupid and buy a big amp. If it's to gig get around 60 like me =]
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^ he's talking tube for a start. and he said occasional gig, so it's not likely going to be a big venue at all. But I think 15 watts would be a better choice

If you're in the US then a Palomino V16 + OD is worth a look
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Why are you so stupid? You couldn't gig with anything lower than 25 if you ask me.


5 Watts is a battery amp, they are for busking if you don't have an electric.


Don't be stupid and buy a big amp. If it's to gig get around 60 like me =]


Read the ultimate gear info sticky. specifically the section on amps.

I agree a 5 watter is too small for gigs, valve or not. you want at least 15.
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Why are you so stupid? You couldn't gig with anything lower than 25 if you ask me.


5 Watts is a battery amp, they are for busking if you don't have an electric.


Don't be stupid and buy a big amp. If it's to gig get around 60 like me =]

dumb

ill look into the palamino
any other suggestions?
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If its tube than sometimes it can blow out a window :P
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If its tube than sometimes it can blow out a window :P


here in the 21st century we have this awesome thing called double glazing, and another one called restraint. Both come highly recommended, I hear.
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Why are you so stupid? You couldn't gig with anything lower than 25 if you ask me.


5 Watts is a battery amp, they are for busking if you don't have an electric.


Don't be stupid and buy a big amp. If it's to gig get around 60 like me =]

Hey, here's an idea! Don't be an ass.

TS- 5 watts could be good if you plan on cranking it all the way up for gigs, or micing it. If you need clean headroom, 15 watts is definitely a good idea as others have said. On the other hand, 5 is good for practicing in your room, as you can get some good turned-up sounds at reasonable volumes. Cranking a 5 watter is still loud, though!
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Why are you so stupid? You couldn't gig with anything lower than 25 if you ask me.


5 Watts is a battery amp, they are for busking if you don't have an electric.


Don't be stupid and buy a big amp. If it's to gig get around 60 like me =]



Why are you so stupid? A 5W tube amp is not the same thing as a 5W battery powered SS amp. They're not very loud, but can be used for band practice, and at gigs if you mic them up.
#14
A Vavle junior head through a 4x12 or 2x12 is enough to get by on its own at a small bar gig. A 5 watt tube amp can get VERY loud. As said above though you won't be doing much cleans with it that are going to cut through... But if your playing rock and stuff thats all out through the whole set it would be fine even if its not miced up.
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A Vavle junior head through a 4x12 or 2x12 is enough to get by on its own at a small bar gig. A 5 watt tube amp can get VERY loud. As said above though you won't be doing much cleans with it that are going to cut through... But if your playing rock and stuff thats all out through the whole set it would be fine even if its not miced up.

Aye, my VJ and a 2x12" are too loud to crank past noon in a small room without hurting yourself. No cleans at useable volume, but a gain switch mod can clean your tone up a little when cranked. Plus, the VJ (with a nice guitar) is very dynamic and responsive. Lighten your pick attack and roll back your volume, and you still get a cleanish sound when it's cranked.
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Why are you so stupid? You couldn't gig with anything lower than 25 if you ask me.


5 Watts is a battery amp, they are for busking if you don't have an electric.


Don't be stupid and buy a big amp. If it's to gig get around 60 like me =]


You've got some nerve calling him stupid when you can't read, buddy.

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im thinking of selling my VK and getting a smaller amp?
I dont gig often and i play in my bedroom, but i do play with friends and and will do the occasional gig. I understand that the 5 watts will be half as loud as as my 50 watt amp but can anyone tell me the pros and cons of getting a 5 watt amp vs having the 50 watt amp?
also any reccomendations for the 5 watter?


Speaking as a guy who plays with a very loud drummer, I cope quite easily with a 15W tube amp for jamming. With a 212 or 412 cab, you'd probably be pretty well off with a VJ for your purposes. Just be wary of whether or not you'll need more headroom for cleans when you gig.
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Aye, my VJ and a 2x12" are too loud to crank past noon in a small room without hurting yourself. No cleans at useable volume, but a gain switch mod can clean your tone up a little when cranked. Plus, the VJ (with a nice guitar) is very dynamic and responsive. Lighten your pick attack and roll back your volume, and you still get a cleanish sound when it's cranked.

Yeah man thats the beauty of tube, control your tone with skillful volume knob manipulation.
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#19
how much louder would it be with a 2x12 cab? im considering a nice 5 watt head and a nice 2x12 cab and upragding the head later.

edit: i dont really need too much head room. i love gritty cleans.
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here in the 21st century we have this awesome thing called double glazing, and another one called restraint. Both come highly recommended, I hear.


+1 to soundproofing. Not sure about the restraint, sounds like some kinda court order to me.
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#21
Mine, with an OD to tighten up the gain, handles full band practices at the optimum volume, and I did a full band Battle of the Bands with it, and it was fine mic'd. Far too loud for bedroom practice cranked though, you need an OD or attenuator for that.
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#22
IMHO, 5W won't be enough for you. Even 15W is going to be pushing it for metal, I'd think. I'd suspect that your drummer's probably hitting fairly hard. For your style of music, and occassional gigging needs, you probably already have the best amp for your purposes (within a budget).

If you want something quieter for home use, I'd suggest maybe adding a VJ head and plugging it into the speakers in your VK.
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#23
Slats is right.

PLus, 100 bucks for a tube amp that you can crank anytime isn't asking much, and its worth it.
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IMHO, 5W won't be enough for you. Even 15W is going to be pushing it for metal, I'd think. I'd suspect that your drummer's probably hitting fairly hard. For your style of music, and occassional gigging needs, you probably already have the best amp for your purposes (within a budget).

If you want something quieter for home use, I'd suggest maybe adding a VJ head and plugging it into the speakers in your VK.


ic im thinking about getting that new blackheart head. how can i turn my speakers into a cab???

edit: when i gig i wont be playing metal. just rock.
also i never got an answer about the 2x2 and a blackheart head. what would i be able to do with that?
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5 watts will give you no clean headroom whatsoever at a gig unless you're mic'ing it up.

It will handle jams without a drummer fine, again with a drummer headroom is limited. (so long as it isnt a hard hitting drummer)

You should look into 15 watts

i tried the ibanez amp a little bit back and if you got that i would suggest getting a dist pedal beucase you cant do anything with it its like a boosted distortion its not that great at all, what styles are you playing and what guitars you have???
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ic im thinking about getting that new blackheart head. how can i turn my speakers into a cab???


How do the speakers in the VK connect now? If they already plug in to the amp via a 1/4 plug, you're all set. Just unplug 'em from the VK, and plug 'em into your new head. That simple. If they're hard wired, you'll have to install a jack on the amp and plug on the speakers, but it's not tough to do. Jenny's posted a pictorial on it a few times.

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edit: when i gig i wont be playing metal. just rock.
also i never got an answer about the 2x2 and a blackheart head. what would i be able to do with that?


If you don't gig metal, maybe you could get away with 15W. That would be the bare minimum, IMHO. I play with 30W. I like having the clean headroom. I rarely have my amp at 50% volume, and I like that.

A 2x12 is not significantly louder than a 1x12, everything else being equal. It sounds "fuller," but not much louder at all.
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