#1
Hi guys, I just wondered if anyone could explain how Brian's tremolo system works.

It's this picture that kinda confuzzled me.



I looked at that and thought, 'How the hell does he depress the bar?'.

So could anyone that understands the tremolo explain to me how it works please? Thanks in advance.

- Faisal
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Exactly, It doesn't make sense.


I guess you gotta have a PhD in astronomy to understand it.
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Exactly, It doesn't make sense.


I guess you gotta have a PhD in astrology to understand it.


No, I mean, does Brian May depress it?
although on closer inspection it does look like there a little space to depress it
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#5
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No, I mean, does Brian May depress it?
although on closer inspection it does look like there a little space to depress it

Yeah, theres a tiny gap where the screwy bolty things are (the other side). but I dunno if he depresses it, I'll look for some Youtube videos to confirm it.
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#6
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Exactly, It doesn't make sense.


I guess you gotta have a PhD in astrology to understand it.


Astronomy.

Can I ask a question about these Brian May replicas? Who makes them and can you get them in the States? Pardon my ignorance, but I have done some searches and cannot seem to locate any .

Thank you!

Chris
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Astronomy.

Can I ask a question about these Brian May replicas? Who makes them and can you get them in the States? Pardon my ignorance, but I have done some searches and cannot seem to locate any .

Thank you!

Chris

Yeah, thats what I meant.

And they're made by BM (Brian May) Guitars, an English company.
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Thanks! I appreciate that. Have they been made by multiple companies?

Thanks again.

Chris
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I think a company called Burns makes them as well.

Yeah, Burns do them. You may also find Japanese companies making them too.

Can anyone help me?
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#11
Maybe it compresses the springs instead of stretching them - like a reverse Fender tremolo. Or, he pulls up for vibrato instead of pushing down. Can't tell which.
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Maybe it compresses the springs instead of stretching them - like a reverse Fender tremolo. Or, he pulls up for vibrato instead of pushing down. Can't tell which.

Still, if he pulls it up, the strings will tighten. Thanks for the help anyway.
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By the looks of the mechanics, it would seem the springs act as a hinge and bend as the tramalo is pressed/pulled. The travel looks to be short so no Dimebag divebombs or ascents but that not what this axe is for. At least, that's what my 42 year old eyes tell me.

Chris
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By the looks of the mechanics, it would seem the springs act as a hinge and bend as the tramalo is pressed/pulled. The travel looks to be short so no Dimebag divebombs or ascents but that not what this axe is for. At least, that's what my 42 year old eyes tell me.

Chris

Thanks, but doesn't May push the tremolo down to lower the pitch?
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All I know is that he made out of a knife-edge, a bike part, and some motorbike springs with the hammer of Thor or some such magical **** like that...

Lol.

I got that much, I just need to find out how the damn thing works.
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Perhaps the bar moves the bridge a little bit. Dunno what the springs do, in that case.

To be honest, I can't really think of a Queen song with a lot of trem use.


I think the most important question here is how could one of the ****tiest guitars ever built become legendary as one of the most beautiful guitar tones in rock history?
I bet you May didn't even think it was going to work at first...
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Perhaps the bar moves the bridge a little bit. Dunno what the springs do, in that case.

To be honest, I can't really think of a Queen song with a lot of trem use.


I think the most important question here is how could one of the ****tiest guitars ever built become legendary as one of the most beautiful guitar tones in rock history?
I bet you May didn't even think it was going to work at first...

+1 to everything you said.

I don't know how the whole guitar actually worked. It's crazy, though they did mess up on one bit, which was the pickups they were trying to build. That's why they ended up buying the set of Burns pickups.
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I don't know that they bought them...maybe had them from another guitar.

I read that he spent no more than 17.50 quid on the Red Special...and unless inflation is really that insane, I don't think pickups fit in that budget.

Yeah, I dunno. I heard they were a new set, and that May had no other electric guitar at the time.
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By the looks of the mechanics, it would seem the springs act as a hinge and bend as the tramalo is pressed/pulled. The travel looks to be short so no Dimebag divebombs or ascents but that not what this axe is for. At least, that's what my 42 year old eyes tell me.

Chris


The bar goes down an octave and raises back in tune, or so he claims.

[Edit] Also he uses it more than you might think, just about ALL his harmonics are tremmed.
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S'been quoted by him in the book 'Talking Guitars' which is just a collection of interviews by David Mead, also been referenced in TotalGuitar, Guitarist and Guitarbuyer.

Those are uk magazines btw.

He uses the trem for some harmonics in the bo rhap video, that however is mimed.
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#25
Thanks for the help Ped.

Now I just need to figure out exactly how it works. This thing's boggled my mind for weeks.
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#26
Now you got my interest up! lol I wonder if he has a patent on that??

Chris
#27
He does depress it. If you listen to Brighton Rock there's a part in the solo where he depresses it a lot. My guess is that the springs are there to keep it in tune and stable while it's not depressed, without them the bridge would sort of swing
EDIT: on closer inspection there seems to be a type of cylindrical bar running through each of the springs, my guess would be that it works a lot like the suspension on a bike
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Alright, thanks for all the help. I think I've figured it out.

Basically, there is a little space for May to depress the arm. This compresses the springs, giving him more space to dunk it down a little more. When he releases the bar, the springs go to the exact same place, thus bringing the guitar back to perfect tuning.

Can anyone confirm this for me? Thanks in advance.

- Faisal
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#30
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Alright, thanks for all the help. I think I've figured it out.

Basically, there is a little space for May to depress the arm. This compresses the springs, giving him more space to dunk it down a little more. When he releases the bar, the springs go to the exact same place, thus bringing the guitar back to perfect tuning.

Can anyone confirm this for me? Thanks in advance.

- Faisal

Thats pretty much it although the strings wouldn't go back into tune unless you had a good locking nut or a set of locking tuners
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Thats pretty much it although the strings wouldn't go back into tune unless you had a good locking nut or a set of locking tuners

Well he does have roller saddles, that does compensate for something, right?
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Hmm... As I was saying in this thread about Jimmy Page's tones...The secrets of our guitar heroes are intriguing.


I'd like a Red Special replica sometime...

thomann sells one for 750 euros i think...i need to find one of those

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#34
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I don't know that they bought them...maybe had them from another guitar.

I read that he spent no more than 17.50 quid on the Red Special...and unless inflation is really that insane, I don't think pickups fit in that budget.

I think he wired the pickups himself.
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Yeah, i saw that. Thanks for posting it.

Thats the pic that got me closer to working out how it works.
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