#1
Alright so I'm a bit confused on modes. We just learned the whole half and whole step stuff in music theory class for modes but like I'm confused on something. Like the Dorian scale for example, if its from D to D there are no accidentals. So does that mean Dorian from D to D is in C Major. And like a Dorian scale from C to C is in B flat Major? So does a C Dorian scale start on C and go to C in the key of B flat or is a C Dorian scale from D to D without any accidentals so its in C major? Do you not deal with Keys when you deal with modes? I'm just a little confused on this. Sorry this is probably a stupid question but I'm kinda stupid when it comes to theory.
#3
Quote by branny1982
the first of your statements was correct!

C Dorian is C to C in Bbmajor.

Dorian is 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 from any root


alright thanks a lot
#4
a thing to remember about modes is that they're all based off the same scale, only the roots are different. So let's take the C major scale as an example.

C (Ionian) C D E F G A B C
D (Dorian) D E F G A B C D
E (Phrygian) E F G A B C D E
F (Lydian) F G A B C D E F
G (Mixolydian) G A B C D E F G
A (Aeolian) A B C D E F G A
B (Locrian) B C D E F G A B
#5
STANDARD RESPONSE TO MODES THREADS FOLLOWS

Okay, a mode of the major scale contains the same notes as the major scale, but the root is a different note. This is just explaining where modes come from, but I don't think of them like this when actually using them.
D Ionian (major) is D E F# G A B C#
E Dorian (second mode) is E F# G A B C# D
A mixolydian (fifth mode) is A B C# D E F# G
They contain the same notes but start on different root notes.

So, they contain the same notes but they are definately different scales. I think of modes as alterations to the major scale.
Ionian (Major) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Dorian 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7
Phrygian 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7
Lydian 1 2 3 #4 5 6 7
Mixolydian 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7
Aeolian (Natural Minor) 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7
Locrian 1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7

So, for F Phrygian you start with the F major scale, F G A Bb C D E
Then flatten the 2 3 6 and 7 to get 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7
And you end up with the notes F Gb Ab Bb C Db Eb.

Now, when playing modes over chords, look at the intervals making up the chord and the intervals making up the mode. If they match up, they will sound good together.
Say a Cm chord comes up, thats 1 b3 5. Look at the modes and you see that Dorian, Phrygian and Aeolian all contain those intervals.
So you could play C Dorian, C Phrygian or C Aeolian, which one you chose will give a different feel.
Now if an Amaj7 comes along, thats 1 3 5 7. Compare that to the modes and you see that you can play A Ionian or A Lydian, againg giving different feels.
What about a Bbm7b5? You see that the only mode with 1 b3 b5 b7 is Locrian, so you can play Bb Locrian
With an E7 (1 3 5 b7) you find that only Mixolydian fits, so you can play E mixolydian

JohnlJones Jazz-Theory Bit:
With that E7 you could play E Phrygian, with the b3 funtioning as a #2, to outline an altered dominant chord.
E7 - 1 3 4 b7
E Phrygian 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7
This gives the intervals 1 b2 #2 3 4 5 b6 b7 which is a _11b9#9b13 chord.

Remember none of this is law, it's just a guide so don't be afraid to experiment.
Hope this helps

The way to use modes and get their different sounds is to think of the intervals it is made up of. Phrygian has a b2, a dark, dissononant interval. Lydian has a #4, which sounds... I dunno how to describe it but it sounds cool. Mixolydian is like the major scale but has a b7, making it bluesy and dominant.

Just drone the low E string, keep it ringing (clean setting works best). Then on the remaining five stings, play E Phrygian, E lydian, E Aeloian, E Ionian etc. and emphasise the unique intervals in each. Really listen to each scales' characteristics. Try making a melody from each mode while droning the E string.

Once you have done this, watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWHKeC4IEgA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoGQ9yHOyZQ
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#6
Quote by Spamwise
a thing to remember about modes is that they're all based off the same scale, only the roots are different. So let's take the C major scale as an example.

C (Ionian) C D E F G A B C
D (Dorian) D E F G A B C D
E (Phrygian) E F G A B C D E
F (Lydian) F G A B C D E F
G (Mixolydian) G A B C D E F G
A (Aeolian) A B C D E F G A
B (Locrian) B C D E F G A B


Yeah, look at the lessons Joe Satriaini did about modes, they helped me alot, he explains them alot.