#1
So... the new laws in EU (don't know about the of the world) Forces the guitar manufacturers to use silver solder instead of the led.
ONE HELL to de-solder.

Any tips?
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yeah man, new laws prevent lead content in ANY product ANYWHERE. I work as an electronics technician so its made life real difficult...
All I can say is get a hot tip iron (I use about 400-450°C) and increase your dwell time. The danger of this though is burning the board, but hey, what can you do? Good luck
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Man, life is hard Ehm I got a 15 watt iron, will it do?
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But seriously... Why the new law? If anybody ever whould go nuts and eat circuitboards?..
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same reason for banning a lot of e number additives, theres's a 1 in a 10000000000000000000000000000000 chance that'll give you cancer or something
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hmmm i lucked out... ive got tons of lead solder at my house from back in the day and im hoarding it all so no sharing
#7
It's mainly to do with the disposal of the product at the end of its lifetime (the WEEE directive). If the thing was disposed of and had moisture/damp on it, the lead could contaminate the water and the ground around it - not good.
I love silver solder. I've used it since I was about 9. It looks better on boards and doesn't tarnish, making debugging easier, even a long time after you first made something. Have you tried both methods (desoldering pump and solder wick)? I find they both work fine on a low/medium power iron.
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The new law is to prevent lead pollution from electronic waste
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Have you tried both methods (desoldering pump and solder wick)? I find they both work fine on a low/medium power iron.


Yup... guess my iron is to weak (15) watt.

Lead solder for the win.
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// Angus Young

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Lead solder for the win.



YARR!! FTW

I hate using silver... I wonder if theres any way to to desolder all your silver in the newer guitars they make, let it drop on a plate. You could probably sell 1 guitars silver solder for 50$, then use leftover lead solder to fix the guitar back up. Of course, im not taking into account the difference in grade between silver solder and silver jewels... If anyone know if this is possible, let me know. I wanna try this lol...
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So... the new laws in EU (don't know about the of the world) Forces the guitar manufacturers to use silver solder instead of the led.
ONE HELL to de-solder.

Any tips?
Yeah, if you're using silver solder use a respirator and a torch. although it has a high silver content, it also contains cadmium. The fumes are TOXIC. And it requires VERY high temperatures to melt.

But I really doubt you're using silver solder.

More likely you're using a RoHS approved (lead free) Tin solder that has 90% tin and various other elements such as bisumuth, antimony,

... and trace (0.1% to 0.5% by weight) amounts of silver.

The melting point is higher, but I've never had any real problem with it. I use a 45 watt element with a small chisel tip. It's easy to control the amount of heat applied by the amount of contact the tip makes with the joint. For fine work, just the corner. For medium work, the entire front edge. For coarse work a large portion of the flat side.

Whenever I trained a rookie at work, the first thing I did was take his wimpy soldering iron and throw it right in the trash. You'll do far more damage staying on a joint for a long period of time with an iron that can just barely get the joint up to temperature.

You'll have a hard time finding an excellent iron, these days. Weller bought out Ungar, but it's hard to find anyone who carries the 7000 series handles, elements, and tips that use the old Ungar design. The regular Weller line is inferior, imho. Better off with a Tenma, I think. They have a 45 watt soldering station that has a variable temperature adjustment. Not cheap, but decent quality. Having a holster for the iron, a sponge and the temperature control is a nice touch.

25 watt is barely adequate for an iron. I wouldn't suggest less than 33 watt.

You already know where it think your 15 watt iron belongs.
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But seriously... Why the new law? If anybody ever whould go nuts and eat circuitboards?..


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same reason for banning a lot of e number additives, theres's a 1 in a 10000000000000000000000000000000 chance that'll give you cancer or something


nope, it's probably because of the environment and because of what people are doing to get it.

Also E-numbers don't just lead to cancer, they lead to a lot of other health problems as well plus i think they are addictive and lead won't give you cancer, it'll give you lead poisining. Which is just as bad, if not worse in some cases.

I doubt a lot of guitar companies use silver solder, they want the cheapest thing they can find. Which isn't silver. As someone said it's probably tin solder or something.
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^ I need a telescope to see the trash bin?
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I threw it out in space you fool
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It means shifty eyes, as in to avoid direct eye contact due to embarrassment.

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Man, life is hard Ehm I got a 15 watt iron, will it do?


Get a new iron. 30 watt is big enough for anything connected to a printed circuit board and most of the stuff in your guitar with the exception of the ground on the back of you pot. That needs a 40watt or more iron. To take a cover off you are looking at 60 to 80 watts. Thats why I got myself an 80 watt iron with adjustabel temp.
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