#1
to be heard over a drum set
for solid state
and tube amps


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#3
on average, uh...

ss - more than 30w

tube - 5w (no cleans) and less than 30w without worries of cleans.
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#4
I'd say UnsignedRecords is correct, but if you have a very hard hitting drummer like I do...

50w SS
15w tube
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#5
I would say 60w SS to be safe, probably 15-30w for tubes. My 40w tube amp shakes my room when I turn it up to 2-3, so...
#6
are stuff like the vox (modeling) considered tubes?

and when in the faq, they talk about replacing valves, getting it hot... all those stuff... does that apply to vox's, which are mostly modeling right?
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#7
nope, the vox is a hybrid amp. it uses only 1 12ax7 tube in some odd place between the preamp and power section. and 1 12ax7 isn't gonna generate that much heat.
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#8
Modelling Voxes are Hybrid, but it's in the "SS loudness" part I guess.
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#9
700 watts of tube should get you there bro. nothing less. NOTHING.
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#10
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#11
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700 watts of tube should get you there bro. nothing less. NOTHING.



I heard about 1 guy that tried to use a 699 watt tube amp, he was laughed off the stage for not being loud enough and never heard from again.
#12
it also depends on which solid state amp you have. Although it may have 75 watts or so, there is a point where turning it up me only makes it sound bad. such as spiders which tend to sound even crappier anywhere past halfway.
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I heard about 1 guy that tried to use a 699 watt tube amp, he was laughed off the stage for not being loud enough and never heard from again.

Yeah, saw him sleeping on a park bench just the other day.
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#15
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700 watts of tube should get you there bro. nothing less. NOTHING.


so true.

haha. da damn that would be loud.
do they really make them that loud?
if so send me a link or something.
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#16
there was that one 600watt crate blue voodoo. and that's about it.
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#17
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on average, uh...

ss - more than 30w

tube - 5w (no cleans) and less than 30w without worries of cleans.



Hahahaha not for me man. My other guitarist can barely be heard with is Classic 50 2x12 over the drums, let alone with a whole band playing.
#18
hahah wow, that's pretty insane. my ears were killing me with my mark on 3 in a full band setting.
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#19
I'm not too sure anymore to be honest, i jammed with a drummer tonight and my Deluxe Reverb was completely drowned out.
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#20
I think 60 watts solid state would be enough for a average drummer, and maybe 30 watts tube would be plenty, even if you used cleans prolly.
#21
5w valve works OD'd in a 3-piece band, 15w OD'd in 4-piece, 30w valve works clean and OD in any band, anything upwards makes not much sense to me. Suppose it's just for peace of mind, but the PA system was invented for a reason.

SS = 60w+.
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#22
I suppose itd depend on the circumstances, what speaker you're using etc.
As a general rule of thumb you need about 50 watt SS and say about 15 watt valve.
5w might work, but again it depends on the amp, the fender champ wont get over a drummer. But the VJ might.
#23
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I'm not too sure anymore to be honest, i jammed with a drummer tonight and my Deluxe Reverb was completely drowned out.


It's a quiet amp. My son's Palomino V16 is louder than my Deluxe Reverb, despite their wattages.

I think 15W tube and 30W SS is the bare minimum to get over drums. I wouldn't gig with less than 30W tube or 80W SS, though. Clean headroom and piece of mind are important to me.
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