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#1
By grunts, Im talking about the guttural DEEP vocals... think Cannibal Corpse. Im not talking about the... I'm not sure what its called, but the other type, like COB or later Carcass.

As for the deeper grunts, I cant stand them. They just sound so unnatural and dont make the song for me. I really respect the musicianship in some of these bands, but some of the vocalists are... ew.
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Quote by nedthehead
By grunts, Im talking about the guttural DEEP vocals... think Cannibal Corpse. Im not talking about the... I'm not sure what its called, but the other type, like COB or later Carcass.

As for the deeper grunts, I cant stand them. They just sound so unnatural and dont make the song for me. I really respect the musicianship in some of these bands, but some of the vocalists are... ew.


I like growlies, like Amon Amarth, but not grunts.
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#3
I like my vocalists to sound like they're choking on a sandwich.
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Really ****ing brutal mayonnaise.
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#4
lol stfu. Close this thread and move on. No one cares.

If you must, then consider this: they all have their own place, done right they are awesome, they fit the music, and they create a particular atmosphere and intensity.

Also consider this: just like with music, it all comes down to personal taste. No need to make a whole ****ing thread about it. K?

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#5
Quote by nedthehead
By grunts, Im talking about the guttural DEEP vocals... think Cannibal Corpse. Im not talking about the... I'm not sure what its called, but the other type, like COB or later Carcass.

Are you refering to "harsh vocals"?

Anyway, I don't mind deep death vocals unless it's a substitute for the musical talent of the band as a whole.
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lol stfu. Close this thread and move on. No one cares.

If you must, then consider this: they all have their own place, done right they are awesome, they fit the music, and they create a particular atmosphere and intensity.

Also consider this: just like with music, it all comes down to personal taste. No need to make a whole ****ing thread about it. K?

+1 No one cares if you don't like it. Some people like it, others don't. And you also didn't have to make a thread about it.
#7
If you find that most people say no, then do you expect to establish some organization against the improper use of gutturals in modern metal music?

Has it dawned upon you that even though you can't stand something that other people may enjoy it? If there was no market for growls, they wouldn't be done, would they?
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#8
I wanted to know what you guys thought. Did I once bash the people who use these vocals? Im just expressing my opinion and trying to sewe if ANYONE agrees with me...
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I wanted to know what you guys thought. Did I once bash the people who use these vocals? Im just expressing my opinion and trying to sewe if ANYONE agrees with me...


As can be applied to nearly everything in this world, it has fans and it has those who despise it. Due to the harsh, incomprehensible, and not easily accessible nature of growls, it will have plenty of people who will not have the capacity or the will to understand, not to even mention give it a proper chance.
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#12
I love death metal vocals. I love growling, grunting..whatever u wings just wouldnt be the same wanna call it. Things just wouldnt be the same without them.
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#13
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I don't like that whole "burp" sounding vocals.

WHAT?! BLASPHEMER!!!!

But yeah, Demilich owns. I seriously cannot comprehend how he does those vocals.

With CC and such, you can make fun of it and imitate it. It's sorta like a "burghburhbughurh" kind of thing, and people may say "yeah, that's kinda what it sounds like". I have never come even close to touching Demilich's burp growls.
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#14
i like growled vocals for the most part. The only style i can't stand is the.... for lack of a better description... "Dry" growl (like those employed on the more recent Opeth releases).
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Quote by RatSkull
I am tired of the new breed of death metal bands who only scream and use higher growls, no one gives a ****. Deep gutterals make death metal killer vocal-wise. Have we not learned anything from Dying Fetus?


Possessed and Death and Morbid Angel all used raspier mid ranged growls. Now I love my gutterals but to say the screams and growls don't belong in death metal is blasphemous.
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Possessed and Death and Morbid Angel all used raspier mid ranged growls. Now I love my gutterals but to say the screams and growls don't belong in death metal is blasphemous.


They were also musically closer to thrash considering death metal wasn't a definite genre yet so it sounded right.
#18
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They were also musically closer to thrash considering death metal wasn't a definite genre yet so it sounded right.


Where are you going with this? That every single band should do the cookie monster style?
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#19
I love them, but I prefer the Corpsegrinder/Mikael Akerfeldt type growls, the ones you can kinda understand but are still br00tal and low.
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#20
This is a retarded thread.

The possibilty of this thread getting better has about the same amount of possibility that I'm never going to masturbate again.

I'm gonna go look at videos of some hot chicks swallowing man-juice now. See Ya gice.
#22
Mikael Åkerfeldt's grunt > Everyone elses
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#23
Yeah I like them... And I think more "mordern" metal bands should try doing it more. Or at least get another Carcass album (since they are getting back together for a tour)
#25
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They were also musically closer to thrash considering death metal wasn't a definite genre yet so it sounded right.


Morbid Angel...... Thrash? Whadda what?
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#26
Cannibal Corpse is not that deep. Try Devourment or Gutteral Secrete if you want deep growls.
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#27
Im a fan of a good powerful growl, I am not a fan of the inhuman sounding guttural or gurgling bull****. The vocals of Adam TFS (Hate), Peter (Vader), Julien (Benighted), David Vincent (Morbid Angel) and others are awesome, but once you start sounding like Wormed, its lame
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#29
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They were also musically closer to thrash considering death metal wasn't a definite genre yet so it sounded right.


Possessed yes, Morbid Angel and Death, no. If anything, those three created the Death Metal genre, so your statement is beyond false.
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#30
first of all i actually tend to prefer the raspier or mid to higher ranged vocals... espciallly if they're mixed with a few deep ones in some tracks. Vocals like those in bands like Arsis, Death, Morbid Angel, Arch Enemy, Children of Bodom, etc. all really do it for me.

The Gutteral vocals of bands like Behemoth, Opeth (which can be considered raspy sometimes I guess), Pestilence, Suffocation (kind of) are ones that I like

I don't like the gutterals of Necrophagist, Decapitated, Immolation, Cryptopsy (older albums), etc. (I still love the bands, but the vocalists I don't really like as much as the other bands styles.


Oh and you guys shouldn't give TS **** for starting a thread like this. The reason we have threads are to discuss things. otherwise I feel the metal forum becomes boring if all we have are the band threads... then we just keep going back and forth between our favorite album/song by the band and bashing lame people that come here and try to be like "A7X is the most metal band ever." This is definitely a question I was waiting for someone to ask. Plz stop bashing him, he isn't trying to force his view or trying to denounce anyones opinions or vocal stylings.

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first of all i actually tend to prefer the raspier or mid to higher ranged vocals... espciallly if they're mixed with a few deep ones in some tracks. Vocals like those in bands like Arsis, Death, Morbid Angel, Arch Enemy, Children of Bodom, etc. all really do it for me.

The Gutteral vocals of bands like Behemoth, Opeth (which can be considered raspy sometimes I guess), Pestilence, Suffocation (kind of) are ones that I like

I don't like the gutterals of Necrophagist, Decapitated, Immolation, Cryptopsy (older albums), etc. (I still love the bands, but the vocalists I don't really like as much as the other bands styles.


Those arent gutturals. Guttural vocals are from bands like Lord Gore, Wormed, and Brodequin. The bands you mentioned are just thicker growls. Theres a large difference.
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#32
my bad.... i don't like the growls of those bands then. i'll try and check out the bands that have Gutteral vocals then to know the difference.

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#33
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my bad.... i don't like the growls of those bands then. i'll try and check out the bands that have Gutteral vocals then to know the difference.


The bands like Immolation, Behemoth, and Decapitated have some of the best growlers, the put out a much stronger and thicker growl so i can understand why youd think they were guttural, but the actual guttural is an entirely different technique and personally, i think it sucks ass lol. The guttural vocals are mostly common with brutal death metal but the bands that dont use them are actually some of the better brutal death metal bands, like Nephasth.
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#34
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Possessed yes, Morbid Angel and Death, no. If anything, those three created the Death Metal genre, so your statement is beyond false.


Learn to read, pal? It doesn't matter what his point was, but he said they were "closer" to thrash metal, not pure thrash metal. In any case, all old school death metal really was is pseudo-thrash, or thrash metal that's simply pushing the limits of brutality further than it is at the current time. Without the vocals from early Death and Morbid Angel, it could easily have been considered thrash metal. To say that old school death metal isn't basically a slightly modified version of thrash metal is stupid.
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#35
I don't mind grunts, but only in moderation, I prefer harsher, higher pitched screams, like Arch Enemy and Gorgoroth.
#37
Quote by Terror Kovenant
Possessed yes, Morbid Angel and Death, no. If anything, those three created the Death Metal genre, so your statement is beyond false.



Death Metal was basically thrash riffs with more extreme vocals and all around sound. Its nothing like the death metal out there today, so yes its fair to say it was closer to thrash considering it was fresh right out of the thrash movement. So no, its not beyond false.
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Quote by RatSkull
Death Metal was basically thrash riffs with more extreme vocals and all around sound. Its nothing like the death metal out there today, so yes its fair to say it was closer to thrash considering it was fresh right out of the thrash movement. So no, its not beyond false.


That's what I said...
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#39
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Death Metal was basically thrash riffs with more extreme vocals and all around sound. Its nothing like the death metal out there today, so yes its fair to say it was closer to thrash considering it was fresh right out of the thrash movement. So no, its not beyond false.


The beyond false was to your established genre comment, yes i know DM is a semi-product of Thrash but by the time Death, Morbid Angel, and Possessed were crushing, the genre was roaring.
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#40
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That's what I said...


I clicked "quote" when I saw his post, didn't read anyothers leading up to mine.

Well it can go either way. I hear a ton of thrash in their earlier songs which lead to my point being that I love the higher growls/yells in that early style of extreme metal.
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