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It's something I find extremely interesting to think on myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

Discuss.

It's especially thought provoking in a forum environment, because if I am the hypothetical only being, and you are all my imagination... I am aware of it. I am merely typing to myself (Or imagining doing as thus.). The responses I receive may well just be echoes of my own psyche. But then, that is redundant, as the whole of reality would simply be my own formation...

Any thoughts, pit? And try not to be stupid, please.
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I've thought about it and I don't like it. It's pretty selfish and I don't like being selfish.
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It's something I find extremely interesting to think on myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

Discuss.

It's especially thought provoking in a forum environment, because if I am the hypothetical only being, and you are all my imagination... I am aware of it. I am merely typing to myself (Or imagining doing as thus.). The responses I receive may well just be echoes of my own psyche. But then, that is redundant, as the whole of reality would simply be my own formation...

Any thoughts, pit? And try not to be stupid, please.



maybee you're my imagination and i'm tiping to myself...


..weird.. lol
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I'm sure if you know me at all, you'll know that I often quote Descartes on existence and this.

But, it's much too late for me to make my mind work, I'll come back to you tomorrow.
I always thought that if I was the only living being and the rest a figment of my imagination, then there would be nothing that would surprise me. If I was the one inventing all this, then I would know what I'm doing, what I'm imagining. Nothing would surprise me, or shock me. If you catch my drift. Anyway, as I said, late. More tomorrow.
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maybee you're my imagination and i'm tiping to myself...


..weird.. lol


Exactly.

But I know you're not, It's me. I am sat here typing. You are obviously my creation, or I would not be here.

The only fact I can ever be truly sure of is that I think, therefore I am.

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I'm sure if you know me at all, you'll know that I often quote Descartes on existence and this.

But, it's much too late for me to make my mind work, I'll come back to you tomorrow.
I always thought that if I was the only living being and the rest a figment of my imagination, then there would be nothing that would surprise me. If I was the one inventing all this, then I would know what I'm doing, what I'm imagining. Nothing would surprise me, or shock me. If you catch my drift. Anyway, as I said, late. More tomorrow.

Indeed, but it would work much in the same way your mind plays tricks on you. When you thought you head someone calling you. You thought you saw something at the window. If you/I am this one being, perhaps the illusion of reality is a necassary one to maintain sanity, and its own existence.

It's almost impossible to imagine what existance would feel like if you didn't have, and have never had any senses. Without sense, life is arguably indistinguishable from death, so the "dream" needs to go on?

And yes, I know of you
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#6
Everyone is imaginary but me

EDIT: Ive thought about this, but i dont really think its true
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In that case, I've been a solipsist all my life.
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#10
It's like nihilism to the extreme max factor... not only do i not believe in god or any meaning to life, i don't believ in any of you either.
#11
I remember being obsessed with solipsism when I first found out what it meant, however more urgent thoughts tend to fill my mind this days...
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It's something I find extremely interesting to think on myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

Discuss.

It's especially thought provoking in a forum environment, because if I am the hypothetical only being, and you are all my imagination... I am aware of it. I am merely typing to myself (Or imagining doing as thus.). The responses I receive may well just be echoes of my own psyche. But then, that is redundant, as the whole of reality would simply be my own formation...

Any thoughts, pit? And try not to be stupid, please.


I love this concept.

Because it means I exist and none of you do.
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And yes, I know of you


I thought you might. I do like quoting René Descartes...
And he certainly fits into this as well, he's a big part of it. But tomorrow I'll get round to it. I love this stuff, by the way.


Anyway, I have young students to teach in the morning. Off to bed.
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#14
Sometimes I think people are watching, observing me as if its almost an experiment. I know its not true but I get weird like that.


Nothing that drastic though.
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I'm not too hip on the philosophical jargon, so I'm having trouble understanding the Wikipedia article. Can anyone tell me if I'm getting this right?

It's not that other people don't 'exist', it's just the belief that your mind is the only mind, and everyone else is just a part of the world that your mind percieves. They don't percieve you because they don't have a mind to percieve you with. They are like NPCs in your world. They exist and can affect you, but it is all part of your mind's world.
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I'm not too hip on the philosophical jargon, so I'm having trouble understanding the Wikipedia article. Can anyone tell me if I'm getting this right?

It's not that other people don't 'exist', it's just the belief that your mind is the only mind, and everyone else is just a part of the world that your mind percieves. They don't percieve you because they don't have a mind to percieve you with. They are like NPCs in your world. They exist and can affect you, but it is all part of your mind's world.


Exactly. The NPC comparison is an excellent way to put it.
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Wait.. so you guys are just part of my mind?

If I try hard enough, can I alter all of you with my thoughts?
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Exactly. The NPC comparison is an excellent way to put it.

Yeah that's how I always thought of it. You are the player and they are the creations of the computer (the computer being your consciousness).

I think it's a pretty valid philosophy considering there's really no way that anyone can prove it wrong. No one can put me inside their heads and show me that they are percieving the world too.
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I'm not part of your imagination, you're part of mine.
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#21
i've heard of this before. it's not that hard to understand.

i find stuff like this more juicy.
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I'm not part of your imagination, you're part of mine.


But that can't be true.

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Stupid, inarguable nonsense.


Pfff, just too deeeep for you, isn't it?

Go enjoy your lower philosophies. We'll enjoy our purley hypothetical rubbish
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Yeah, only 1% of the population of the pit can comprehend this thread, haha.
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I never knew this had a name.

I came to that conclusion a while ago. Since everything else cannot be validated, I don't care.
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#25
That belief is basically an offshoot of the "I think, therefore I am" theory, which I fully believe in.
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[quote="'[x"]Huffy[x]']That belief is basically an offshoot of the "I think, therefore I am" theory, which I fully believe in.
Kind of, but that would imply that 'other people think, therefore they are', which isn't true in solipsism. Solipsism suggests that other people do not think. Only what you perceive them to be thinking, which could be anything.
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[quote="'[x"]Huffy[x]']That belief is basically an offshoot of the "I think, therefore I am" theory, which I fully believe in.

Well, really it simply IS that, like I said above.

The theory that everything may be imagined simply follows logically; as we cannot truly prove its existence, lest we were able to "see" through other people's minds. And even that might be an illusion.
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Kind of, but that would imply that 'other people think, therefore they are', which isn't true in solipsism. Solipsism suggests that other people do not think. Only what you perceive them to be thinking, which could be anything.


Nah... Not really. They think therefore they are is not a provable fact. "I think therefore I am" is fundamentally the only thing I (we) can actually be truly, 100% sure of, ever. "They think therefore they are" is not really implied at all buy this fundamental fact.
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i find stuff like this more juicy.

I read it.


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[quote="'[x"]Huffy[x]']That belief is basically an offshoot of the "I think, therefore I am" theory, which I fully believe in.

Solipsism dates back to around the time of Plato, to which he was vehmently opposed. Descarte was born in the 16th century. So, if anything, it is actually the other way around :p.
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Kind of, but that would imply that 'other people think, therefore they are', which isn't true in solipsism. Solipsism suggests that other people do not think. Only what you perceive them to be thinking, which could be anything.

So why aren't you thinking that I'M RIGHT?!


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[quote="'[x"]Huffy[x]']I read it.


I shat brix

yeah you'll do that.
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yeah you'll do that.

I don't get it...he kills his grandfather, therefore voiding his existence..but erasing his existence also erases his grandfather's murder...so he does exist...but then he kills...


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Nah... Not really. They think therefore they are is not a provable fact. "I think therefore I am" is fundamentally the only thing I (we) can actually be truly, 100% sure of, ever. "They think therefore they are" is not really implied at all buy this fundamental fact.

Oh ok, yeah you're probably right.
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[quote="'[x"]Huffy[x]']I don't get it...he kills his grandfather, therefore voiding his existence..but erasing his existence also erases his grandfather's murder...so he does exist...but then he kills...

this is why it's a paradox my friend. each statement implies it's own negation.
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...that I am cursed far more than I am praised."
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We can't be sure of "I think, therefore I am".

"Thinking things exist" is a supressed and unjustified premise that we can doubt :p
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this is why it's a paradox my friend. each statement implies it's own negation.

ARGH!!
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#37
The Grandfather Paradox is cool, but it's kind of old news. The concept isn't too hard to fathom, really. The result, however, is impossible to think of unless you try it out yourself, but first we need to find out how to travel through time, which for all we know is impossible.
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All we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.


Or some **** like that.

My favorite example of the grandfather paradox is timesplitters 3. They go back in tim and destroy the timesplitters. Therefore they never went back in time to stop the time splitters so they should still exist.
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[quote="'[x"]Huffy[x]']I don't get it...he kills his grandfather, therefore voiding his existence..but erasing his existence also erases his grandfather's murder...so he does exist...but then he kills...


BAWWWWWW ಥ_ಥ

Lrn2/time/, newfag.

That's not how the time-space continuum works The whole paradox theory is shaky to me. Myself, I think it would be logical if each "travel" through time creates a new timeline. But with physics, we can figure how it ACTUALLY works. It numbs the mind.
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But that can't be true.


There's my imagination acting up again.

Bad imagination. Bad.
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