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Something has begun to anoy me of late. Whenever powerchord is mention people immediately start flamming. This is obvisoly because of punk rock bands. But power chords are also prevalent in metal and many other forms of quite complicated rock. So im jsut wondering what other people thoughs are on this.
#3
its bad when a WHOLE SONG is based on powerchords alone

in metal and other genres, power chords are used not nearly as much
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Something has begun to anoy me of late. Whenever powerchord is mention people immediately start flamming. This is obvisoly because of punk rock bands. But power chords are also prevalent in metal and many other forms of quite complicated rock. So im jsut wondering what other people thoughs are on this.


its at punk rock, and mostly towards punk rock. Not so much in metal, since more than three notes in a chord, you tend to muddy up everything.

And i've noticed an even more disturbing trend. Look at any MCR, Fallout Boy song, they take out the 5th in the powerchord (middle of the three notes). They're technically not even playing a chord, its just two root notes.
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its at punk rock, and mostly towards punk rock. Not so much in metal, since more than three notes in a chord, you tend to muddy up everything.

And i've noticed an even more disturbing trend. Look at any MCR, Fallout Boy song, they take out the 5th in the powerchord (middle of the three notes). They're technically not even playing a chord, its just two root notes.


You mean octave chords? They use them to get an airy, fruity sort of sound.
It's like castrating a power chord. (when not used properly)
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its at punk rock, and mostly towards punk rock. Not so much in metal, since more than three notes in a chord, you tend to muddy up everything.

And i've noticed an even more disturbing trend. Look at any MCR, Fallout Boy song, they take out the 5th in the powerchord (middle of the three notes). They're technically not even playing a chord, its just two root notes.


that's an octave actually. simple.
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who doesn't use octave chords at some point?

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#8
Power chords are awesome.
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But power chords are also prevalent in metal and many other forms of quite complicated rock.


irony...


haha, he thinks rock and metal are complicated...
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that's an octave actually. simple.


yeah, i've never actually heard it as a chord in a rhythm guitar part. I mean, hendrix threw it into fills all the time, but they just strum it.
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irony...


haha, he thinks rock and metal are complicated...


i didnt say metal was complicated and are you saying that there are no types of rock that a complicated?
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i didnt say metal was complicated and are you saying that there are no types of rock that a complicated?

compared to the rest of music? rock really isn't that complicated.
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irony...


haha, he thinks rock and metal are complicated...


Yes, because bands like Ion Dissonance, and Into The Moat don't play complicated guitar pieces.
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its bad when a WHOLE SONG s based on powerchords alone

in metal and other genres, power chords are used not nearly as much


Thats a little narrow minded. It should be, if ALL OF THIER SONGS (or say more than 50%) are all nothing but power chords alone.

IMO, music should not be souly based on how advanced the guitarists techniques are, (Or keyboardists, etc.) it should be how the music sounds OVERALL.
I like some of Green Day's stuff, I also like SRV, Steve Vai, Rush, etc.

If someone bases thier idea of a good song simply on the advanced techniques used by someone, is severly limiting themselves to many other types of music, bands, musicians, etc.
#17
I have a dream where chords will be judged, not by the amount of notes in them or the by the poppy preteen bands that use them, by the content of their character. And the powerchords will be able to sit at the front of the bus if they want.
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clarify what you mean by rest of music, do you mean jazz, rap or what?? Keep in mind i was using rock very broadly
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The Who used a lot of power chords and they are ****ing awesome.

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I have a dream where chords will be judged, not by the amount of notes in them or the by the poppy preteen bands that use them, by the content of their character. And the powerchords will be able to sit at the front of the bus if they want.


lol awesome
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the point is parallel fifths sound horrible
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You mean octave chords? They use them to get an airy, fruity sort of sound.
It's like castrating a power chord. (when not used properly)


They literally do sound like someone being castrated when you use too much gain with them.

The Who used a lot of power chords and they are ****ing awesome.

True 'dat.
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Yes, because bands like Ion Dissonance, and Into The Moat don't play complicated guitar pieces.

Okay, so now you've named two bands that take one of the instruments in their band and give them a complicated part. Now take forty people in classical, or twenty in jazz, give them each intricate parts, and complicated chords never seen in modern rock and stuff today. And that is the norm for those types of music. Now don't get me wrong, i freaking love rock, the blues, ska, and all those other simpler styles of music, but for intricacy, they simply can't match the vast majority of classical or jazz music.
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but imagine this: a three-piece where the guitarist sings and has an incredible voice that he uses to its full potential and has perfectly executed melodies. What's he going to do while he sings? Shred? Seriously. That's what power chords are for.

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but imagine this: a three-piece where the guitarist sings and has an incredible voice that he uses to its full potential and has perfectly executed melodies. What's he going to do while he sings? Shred? Seriously. That's what power chords are for.



Shawn Lane is a great example of amazing phrasing,amazing shred when he wanted, and used his voice to create melodies.
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oh, yay, one song. sure, there are exceptions, and some bands have given their guitar very hard pieces, but multiply that by twenty, or forty other musicians for jazz and classical, respectively, and that's how those music styles are. simplicity isn't bad, it can be very entertaining. But for complication, modern music simply doesn't consistently compare with jazz or classical music.
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Okay, so now you've named two bands that take one of the instruments in their band and give them a complicated part. Now take forty people in classical, or twenty in jazz, give them each intricate parts, and complicated chords never seen in modern rock and stuff today. And that is the norm for those types of music. Now don't get me wrong, i freaking love rock, the blues, ska, and all those other simpler styles of music, but for intricacy, they simply can't match the vast majority of classical or jazz music.


absolutely.. classical and jazz are hands-down the most complicated forms of music.

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Shawn Lane is a great example of amazing phrasing,amazing shred when he wanted, and used his voice to create melodies.

there you go. That's how music should be: simple, but complicated when you want it to be. Think Mozart.

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#30
I don't even think it's the power chords that have ruined bands like Green Day. I like the older Green Day stuff (ex. "Brain Stew") even though it basically just used power chords, because it had a more "raw" sound. I can't stand the newer studio-polished rock like
P!ATD. They are a perfect example of what rock should never become.
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my teacher discriminates against powerchords lol. he's like any retard could do smoke on the water with power chords you do it with barre chords.
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oh, yay, one song. sure, there are exceptions, and some bands have given their guitar very hard pieces, but multiply that by twenty, or forty other musicians for jazz and classical, respectively, and that's how those music styles are. simplicity isn't bad, it can be very entertaining. But for complication, modern music simply doesn't consistently compare with jazz or classical music.


You are nothing but an elitist piece of ****. I came name a band that has some of the most technical playing for each and every one of the classical and jazz artists you listen to. Your judging a whole ****ing genre by some mainstream bands? You know nothing. Please ****ing leave.
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I don't even think it's the power chords that have ruined bands like Green Day. I like the older Green Day stuff (ex. "Brain Stew") even though it basically just used power chords, because it had a more "raw" sound. I can't stand the newer studio-polished rock like
P!ATD. They are a perfect example of what rock should never become.


Have you actually listened to every P!ATD song? I'm not saying that they're the best band ever, but they innovate in different ways. I mean, can you name another band that actually has a similar sound (and not FOB, just because their voices are similar doesn't mean they have the same sound)?

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#35
Because power chords are taking all of our jobs, damn it.
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Have you actually listened to every P!ATD song? I'm not saying that they're the best band ever, but they innovate in different ways. I mean, can you name another band that actually has a similar sound (and not FOB, just because their voices are similar doesn't mean they have the same sound)?


Just because no band sounds like them doesn't mean they are innovative. Don't be so naïve. How are they innovative in the slightest bit?
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oh, yay, one song. sure, there are exceptions, and some bands have given their guitar very hard pieces, but multiply that by twenty, or forty other musicians for jazz and classical, respectively, and that's how those music styles are. simplicity isn't bad, it can be very entertaining. But for complication, modern music simply doesn't consistently compare with jazz or classical music.



Yay! Isn't being an elitist fun! If you want more than one song, then I could spam this thread, but I'd rather not get banned. Saying "All music of _____ genre is simple, and therefore, sucks!" is just a proving factor of how dumb you are. There is lots of astoundingly complicated metal and rock.

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irony...


haha, he thinks rock and metal are complicated...


Wow you're ****ing dumb.
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Quote by stradivari310
Have you actually listened to every P!ATD song? I'm not saying that they're the best band ever, but they innovate in different ways. I mean, can you name another band that actually has a similar sound (and not FOB, just because their voices are similar doesn't mean they have the same sound)?


Musically, P!ATD is not a bad band. They just are a mix of sounds too great to be classified bluntly as "rock." I just don't like all these perfect souding "rock" songs with nothing but power chords and that have that "studio-polished" sound, where the talent is not in the band but in the producers. Put P!ATD in a studio with NO additional help. I doubt they could play anything sounding good.
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