#1
I was watching Supernatural last night with my dad, and there was this little kid who got an AC/DC cd for his birthday. He was all like and "Sweet!!! AC/DC!!!" Then my dad was like "Brad, never do that, it's a symbol of satanism." I was thinking WTF, I mean everybody does it. It's just like fvck yeah!

He's really Christian, and I'm Christian too, but not crazy like that. So what do you guys think about what he said?
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#2
I wonder what kind of replies would this get in a forum filled with teenage metal loving guitarists...
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#3
Serves that little satanist bastard right. Jesus died for sinners such as him, way to be grateful,
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#4
Dear god, your father is insane.

I just took the Lord's name in vain.

Holy ****, I'm bustin' da rhymes tonight.
#5
the horns signifies 666 theres 2 on the outside and then 1 in the middle somewhere

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#7
Yeah...Wait a few minutes.

Never let him in this thread, he'd have a heart attack over what all the metal-ists would say (Including myself...)

But, in my opinion, that's just insane. How is it a symbol of satanism?! IT'S A FVCKING HAND SIGN


I really don't have anything constructive to say about that...
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#8
Actually, Dio got it from his grandmother (or mother, I'm not sure which one) when she would use it as a sign to ward off the evil eye. Dio is commonly known for making the horns more well known, so just tell your dad you don't wanna get killed by the evil eye.

Oh, and Longhorns FTW.
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#9
Ok, im a christian too, but theres no way you would no it by listening to my music. I never bought into the whole,"If you listen to it, you will start acting it" ideal. as far as the handsign goes, its not a sign of satanism. It got labeled that during the religious conservatism during the seventies and eighties by the older generation who didnt want there kids listening to it. Freakin Nixon. And Reagan. lol
#10
No, it's really not a symbol of satanism. If he was hanging an inverted cross in his room with "I hate god" written across his walls, painted with the blood of the innocent and recorded "Die my Darling" with "God" in place of "Darling", maybe your father would have a case.

I'd be cool with it, though.

Not the blood of the innocent part.

Peace.
#11
He's full of neo-Christian bullshit propaganda. (I don't mean to insult him or you with that comment by the way )

The horns actually originated from an old (I could be wrong with the country) Italian belief that making what we now refer to as the "Devil Horns" actually warded off evil, much like crossing your fingers at someone.

Dio took it from his grandmother, who used it all the time, and he started brandishing it onstage. It caught on and now rockers everywhere do it.

During the 70's and 80's, however, when hard rock was starting to grow and flourish, Christians higher up in the ladder of power started telling everyone that rock was the devil's music.

So automatically, it became the sign of the devil, since they listened to the devil's music, obviously.
#12
slap him, and then tell him that he is rediculous.
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#13
Tell your dad that the lord of darkness does not approve of his shenanigans.
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#14
im a Christian too and i think thats dumb..
even Christian bands throw up horns like that.
i saw Norma Jean and their vocalist was like "put those horns in the air!".
soo.....i think it has nothing to do with satan. its just all the satanist metalheads that made it about satan.
#15
Never say its the longhorns. They play in a weak division becoming weaker every year. Support the SEC. Yes, were getting weaker too, but we still pwn any other division out there.
#16
The corna (Italian for horns, also mano cornuta, horned hand and fare le corna, to make the horns) is a gesture with a vulgar meaning in Mediterranean countries and a variety of meanings and uses in other cultures. Its origins can be traced to Ancient Greece. It is realized by extending the index and little fingers while holding the middle and ring fingers down with the thumb.
Here's the info i found:
The corna is not to be confused as the sign for "I love you" in American Sign Language, which is made by also extending the thumb, or the shaka sign used in Hawaii, which is made by extending just the thumb and little finger. While the "Hook 'em Horns" sign used by fans of University of Texas athletics is the same sign visually, it is used in different context and should not be confused with either. It is identical to the Karana mudra of Eastern religions.
The spelling "mano cornuto" is erroneous, the grammatical gender of the word mano (meaning "hand") is actually feminine (la mano), and the expression should therefore be "mano cornuta", to be pronounced /'mano kor'nuta/. However, the form "mano cornuto" is commonly found in English.

The term is realized in many south italian dialects as manë cörnut (/mànə kwərnùdə/)


To place corna on someone's head when taking a picture is a common joke, and young Italian tourists in foreign countries might be noticed looking nervously over their shoulders when taking group pictures. This was especially effective in the days of film cameras, while today's digital cameras somewhat tend to spoil the surprise effect. This joke is also practiced in other countries, but the index and middle fingers are used, and is known as "rabbit ears". However, the "rabbit ears" gesture does not have any associations with infidelity, and is considered simply as a prank. The previous Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi was also seen displaying the corna in some mundane happenings, the most famous being a meeting where he put them over the Spanish's ex foreign minister Piqué.[1]

The origin is traced by some as far as the legend of the Minotaur, who was born from queen Pasiphaë and a white bull, betraying King Minos of Crete; the most prominent proof of the betrayal, the horned offspring, was taken as its symbol.

When confronted with unfortunate events, or just when these are mentioned or suggested, a person wanting to avoid that fate could resort to the corna to ward off bad luck. It is a more vulgar equivalent of knocking on wood. Interestingly, superstitious ones can alternatively "touch iron" (tocca ferro) or touch his nose, which are not considered as vulgar alternatives, or grab their testicles (the left one with the right hand in Argentina, country very influenced by the Italian culture), which is considered very vulgar, but is perhaps the most commonplace of the three. All of these gestures are meant to somehow conjure some supernatural power to protect the performer of the gesture.

Such gestures are typically used when a black cat crosses one's path, when seeing a hearse (whether or not it is loaded), or when encountering any situation, object or person believed to bring about bad luck. It was once thought to prevent or distract the effects of the Evil Eye, that is of intentional or directed curses. Historically the gesture was pointed at people suspected of being witches.

President of the Italian Republic Giovanni Leone shocked the country when, visiting Naples during an outbreak of cholera, shook the hands of the patients with one hand, and with the other, behind the back, made the corna. This act was well documented, as all journalists and photographers were right behind him, a fact that had escaped President Leone's mind in that moment. The gesture was interpreted especially as offensive for the patients.

The gesture is also associated with an Italian curse, wherein the index and pinky finger are pointed at an offender. It is used by a hit man in Weekend at Bernie's in this manner.

Satanism

Anton LaVey popularized it as a Satanic salute in the 1960s. His image was often in the press, and the sign appears on many of his photos, such as on the back of the Satanic Bible.

[edit] Rock and Heavy Metal
It also has a variety of meanings in heavy metal and is known by a variety of terms: devil sign, devil horns, goat horns, metal horns, metal sign, sticks up, throwing the goat, throwing the horns, evil fingers, Pommesgabel (German for french fry fork),mano cornuta, peka evil, the horns, forks, also "Rock Fist" or Rock on "Visel" in some U.S. rock music subcultures.

Gene Simmons claimed to have first been influenced by the sign when attending a Heavy Metal show, the band were 'Sister' Who included future Motley Crue Bassist Nikki Sixx and the lead singer was the future W.A.S.P. lead singer and eccentric showman, Blackie Lawless. Blackie was described as being shown extending his little finger and index finger. Gene Simmons used this sign on his album front cover of KISS' 1977 album Love Gun. On the other hand, Gene Simmons has, even before the Love Gun LP, shown this sign on stage or during photo sessions (for example Japan, April 1977). The common cited examples however show Simmons making the gesture with the thumb extended, which is rather a different gesture which means "I Love You" and had been used well before this, however this claim is disputed.

Ronnie James Dio in an interview for the movie "Metal: A Headbanger's Journey" also disputed Gene Simmons' claims saying "...although Gene Simmons will tell you that he invented it but then again Gene invented breathing and shoes and everything you know."

In heavy metal music, Ronnie James Dio also used this sign, and is known for popularizing its usage in heavy metal. His Italian grandmother used it to ward off the evil eye (malocchio). Dio began using the sign soon after joining (1979) the metal band Black Sabbath. The previous singer in the band, Ozzy Osbourne, was rather well known at using the "peace" sign at concerts, raising the index and middle finger in the form of a V. Dio, in an attempt to connect with the fans, wanted to similarly use a hand gesture. However, not wanting to copy Osbourne, he chose to use the sign his grandmother always made.

Pre-dating either Ronnie James Dio, or Gene Simmons' use of the "devil's hand", on the cover of The Beatles' 'Yellow Submarine' album (Dec 1968, UK, Jan 1969, USA), John Lennon's right hand is making the sign above Paul McCartney's head. For many fans, this was one of the many "Paul is dead" clues.

Also pre-dating Dio and Simmons, Frank Zappa was known to use the gesture (as can be seen on the DVD "Baby Snakes" filmed in 1977).

From an interview with Ronnie James Dio on Metal-Rules.com:

Metal-Rules.com – "I want to ask you about something people have asked you about before but will no doubt continue to talk about, and that is the sign created by raising your index and little finger. Some call it the "devils hand" or the "evil eye." I would like to know if you were the first one to introduce this to the metal world and what this symbol represents to you?"

R.J. Dio – "I doubt very much if I would be the first one who ever did that. That's like saying I invented the wheel, I'm sure someone did that at some other point. I think you'd have to say that I made it fashionable. I used it so much and all the time and it had become my trademark until the Britney Spears audience decided to do it as well. So it kind of lost it's meaning with that. But it was…I was in Sabbath at the time. It was symbol that I thought was reflective of what that band was supposed to be all about. It's NOT the devil's sign like we're here with the devil. It's an Italian thing I got from my Grandmother called the "Malocchio". It's to ward off the Evil Eye or to give the Evil Eye, depending on which way you do it. It's just a symbol but it had magical incantations and attitudes to it and I felt it worked very well with Sabbath. So I became very noted for it and then everybody else started to pick up on it and away it went. But I would never say I take credit for being the first to do it. I say because I did it so much that it became the symbol of rock and roll of some kind." [1]

Whatever its origin in the heavy metal scene, metal fans embraced the gesture as a vague symbol of mysticism, Satan, evil, or simply "metal-ness", and it soon became nearly as commonplace at concerts as headbanging. The gesture has since spread beyond metal to all forms of rock music and it is now nearly ubiquitous. In rock situations the gesture is interpreted as a benign gesture for "Rock on." Occasionally it is confused by fans with the "I Love You" sign, in which the thumb is extended. Gene Simmons shows his sign mainly in this way. In Europe, and now North America as well, the sign (without the thumb extended) has both meanings, one as a widely accepted "sign of metalheads" and the other meaning, which is simply to communicate to the band (mostly heavy metal-bands) that you love them and their music.

* Parliament-Funkadelic and their fans have used the gesture regularly for decades, actually preceding the use of the gesture in heavy metal.

Rock fans often use the hand gesture in electronic conversations, for group identification. It's usual to express it with the letters "l", "m" and "l" put together. The formed lml symbol supposedly remind the conformation of the fingers in the actual gesture. Many variants may be used, all of which represent the index finger and little finger with long vertical characters, with the middle finger and ring finger represented with smaller characters, and sometimes with the addition of a character representing the thumb or even a complete ASCII face.
#17
AC/DC is not Satanic. They just play Rock and Roll dude...

...and the whole Anti Christ Devil's Child rumor on the name is bullsh1t. Angus saw AC/DC on his sister's vacuum cleaner, hence the name was born.
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#18
Quote by CrEePiNgDeAtH66
the horns signifies 666 theres 2 on the outside and then 1 in the middle somewhere


It means the devils horns, do it with your hand and youll see what i mean

EDIT: and im sure Iommi, Ward and Butler started the horns. Not Dio

Also in Italy it means something like your partners been cheating on you
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#19
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#20
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Actually, Dio got it from his grandmother (or mother, I'm not sure which one) when she would use it as a sign to ward off the evil eye. Dio is commonly known for making the horns more well known, so just tell your dad you don't wanna get killed by the evil eye.

Oh, and Longhorns FTW.


I was just about to say, "hasn't anyone ever heard of Ronnie James Dio." and yeah, I think it was his grandmother...
#21
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I was watching Supernatural last night with my dad, and there was this little kid who got an AC/DC cd for his birthday. He was all like and "Sweet!!! AC/DC!!!" Then my dad was like "Brad, never do that, it's a symbol of satanism." I was thinking WTF, I mean everybody does it. It's just like fvck yeah!

He's really Christian, and I'm Christian too, but not crazy like that. So what do you guys think about what he said?


Drive him out of his ignorance by explaining him that it's an ancient italian sign used to drive out bad demons, and is more of a Christian sign rather than a Satanist sign.
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#22
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Never say its the longhorns. They play in a weak division becoming weaker every year. Support the SEC. Yes, were getting weaker too, but we still pwn any other division out there.

You're fucking retarded.
#25
Show your dad this.

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#26
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You're fucking retarded.

Please, your just mad you got beat by Ohio State. They dont deserve to be in the NC. Neither does LSU, but thats not for this site to discuss this in
#28
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This guy won this topic.
#30
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It means the devils horns, do it with your hand and youll see what i mean

EDIT: and im sure Iommi, Ward and Butler started the horns. Not Dio

Also in Italy it means something like your partners been cheating on you



and what does the number 666 represent

errrrrrrrrr the devil and iv done it plenty of times
#31
"Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns"

[quote="'[x"]Huffy[x]']^ This man knows everything.

Seriously, don't even try and question him, he'll rip your face off with his awesomeness alone.
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#32
Yeah I saw the RJ Dio thing on tv, and even told my dad that, but he's VERY stubborn. I guess I can't complain too much though, because he likes Black Sabbath, the older Metallica, and didn't think that Blackwater Park was too bad, although he said that the singing would annoy him after a while.

And for the record, OSU owns.
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