Poll: Which ENGL is best suited for a dark black metal sound?
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View poll results: Which ENGL is best suited for a dark black metal sound?
Screamer 50W
4 10%
Fireball 60W
34 87%
Thunder 50W
1 3%
Voters: 39.
#1
Well, I've decided on ENGL after some research on all sorts of different amps, I absolutely love the tone on them. I play all types of metal, from Nile to Bodom, to My Dying Bride. Initially, I wanted the powerball, but it's too expensive retail, and I can't find it used anywhere in Canada. So my question is this, which of the ENGL have the best tone for that deep, dark, metal sound? Also, how does the powerball compare to the others? and, if a stack is viable, should I buy an ENGL cab, or something like a mesa or EVH? Thanks for your time.

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#3
The thunder and screamer are voiced kinda brightly and don't have as much gain as the fireball.
#5
I'm getting the Fireball halfstack in May, it's the most amazing thing I've ever played, the gain and bass is insaaaaane
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#7
So the fireball will give me a good dark metal sound? Great! How about the cab? are the ENGL cabs of good quality?
#9
I've read up on some of the vader cabs, can anyone confirm that they are good for black/death metal? Apparently they have really good lows.
#10
Yea dude go Fireball my friend has one and its V nice indeed. Dont know about the cabs though but Im shure they aint poor haha.
#11
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Out of those 3 the fireball would be the best for what you want.


+1, even though i haven't the faintest idea what dark black metal is.

assuming it's similar to "modern, dark-ish, compressed-sounding modern high gain coupled with a decent clean channel", it's the one you want.
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#12
major problem in canada, though, is that they may be expensive for what you're getting.
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#13
i wouldn't say the Fireball has a very "dark" sound... engls are voiced more brighter...

I really like the Fireball, I am trying to decide between a Fireball and a screamer right now...

but the Fireball is pretty bright, if you want dark distortion, get a peavey 6505...

and for cabs, engl cabs are great, but pretty expensive in northern america, Vader is pretty good, Mesa cabs are great too!

If you get an Engl, get a cab with speakers that deliver strong mids, for example V30s...
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#14
^ yeah, that's why i said "dark-ish"... the fireball is dark-sounding, for an engl. they do seem to darken when you turn them up, though. But i haven't tried the fireball cranked.
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#15
By dark I mean more black metal-ish, really crunchy bass and palm mutes that really pop out. Is the powerball "darker" than the fireball? and even if they are voiced brightly, would it be possible, say through EQ, to get a good "dark" sound? I'm in a toss-up between an ENGL Pro 2X12 or a Vader VC412BK 4X12 cabinet. They're around the same price.. gahh, I can't decide!
#16
I have a Screamer but the Fireball would probably be better in this situation although not by that much in all honesty. I suppose a Powerball is out of your price range? I can't remember how much they go for in NA.
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#17
i'd have thought the fireball was slightly darker than the powerball, but it might be possible to eq the powerball to sound a little like a fireball, with those mid-shift knobs.
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#18
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i'd have thought the fireball was slightly darker than the powerball, but it might be possible to eq the powerball to sound a little like a fireball, with those mid-shift knobs.


Dave is pretty close here.

The Fireball, despite it's name, is actually a re-worked version of the Savage 60, which is the little brother to the Savage 120 amplifier. The Savage line is a bit darker and grittier than the Screamer and Powerball.

The Fireball is darker and more compressed than the Powerball right out of the box, which due to it's channel selection and extra features (like the 2 mids voicing and corresponding knobs) allow a broader tonal range. The Powerball however is a bit more tweakable and can easily get a darker tone with the right equip.

I say the right equip because it's very touchy. I've had mine for a few years now and I own a wide range of guitars.

To get the tone I currently enjoy I play a Gibson Les Paul Standard with a relatively scooped sounding pickup (BKP Miracle Man bridge) and the pickup positioned and dialed in perfectly (down to every last pole-piece, which play a big part in the tone.) It gives me a very dark but defined and cutting tone. Not alot of bass, but very tight, very punchy, aggressive tone with great leads.

I've played through my strats, through jacksons and ibanez, other gibsons, ETC. The 'darkness' of the tone of my ENGL amp has been largely dependent on the guitar I've played through it. If you play a Suhr strat or an alder ESP (like on the RSA clips) with bright pickups (like single coils or EMG 81's) you will get a very bright tone through it.

Overall, the fireball would be easier out of the box to get a tone (and it does high gain well) but the Powerball is more versatile and can easily achieve a similar tone with a little bit of thinking. It's just more expensive.
#19
thanks very much genocide, that was exactly the information I was looking for, and thanks to everyone else for the help . By the way, I have a Randy Rhoads Kevin Bonds Sig w/ a Duncan Iommi pickup.
#20
cheers genocide.

EDIT: i should add, i wasn't that fussed on the fireball i tried... it felt too dark, and too compressed... without additional pedals, you pretty much have clean and modern death metal, with nothing in-between.

I'm a bit wary of saying I prefer the powerball to the fireball, as it's absolutely ages since I've tried one, and my preferences and ear for tone have changed a lot, but I'm still pretty sure I'd vastly prefer a powerball to a fireball. I played an SE recently, and really liked that, and an SE is just like a "better" (or more versatile) powerball (kinda like a powerball combined with a savage, so I hear).

Of course, I don't play much, if any, modern death metal, so I'm probably extremely biased as regards that, lol. I like having the versatility to get that really saturated modern high gain tone (which is why i have an engl), but if I can't get that 80's hot-rodded marshall tone as well (which you can with a blackmore or savage se, or indeed SE; even a powerball to some extent), i'm not interested, haha. But for me at least, the powerball would be worth the extra. That being said, don't discount the blackmore, though it must be said that if you only play modern metal, the powerball or fireball is probably a better choice (though I have heard of modern metallers who prefer the blackmore)...

personal preference, I guess.
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#21
My cash alottment has increased, so I've finally decided on a Powerball, and a 2X12 Vader Cab.. Good combination? Yes? No? Would my bottom-end be better with a 4X12?
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#23
Hope you get an answer. You really should post back here once you get it, you're going through the same thing I'll be going through in a few months when I finally move and can afford My new rig. Powerball, Fireball, or Mark IV....
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#24
My cash alottment has increased, so I've finally decided on a Powerball, and a 2X12 Vader Cab.. Good combination? Yes? No? Would my bottom-end be better with a 4X12?


Does anyone have any experience with Vader cabs?
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#25
Theres something about the midrange of ENGLs, namely powerball and fireball which kinda turns me off. At low volumes it sounds nice and all, but once you turn up the volume, the mids kinda thins out and has this "artificial" tone to it. Meh i dunno how to describe it. Also, because of this, it makes the amp sound very 2d. It records well but in a band situation it *might* have cutting problems.

Try em before buying, crank it loud if you can, and listen to the mids. May or may not be your cuppa tea. But I have to say their cleans are very nice.
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#27
The Powerball is the hottest ENGL Made. More than the fireball or screamer. The Powerball has the cleanest voicing and the best ballence of mids and highs. The Fireball is low mid focused. Almost a scooped voicing. My recomindation is a Powerball.
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#28
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My cash alottment has increased, so I've finally decided on a Powerball, and a 2X12 Vader Cab.. Good combination? Yes? No? Would my bottom-end be better with a 4X12?
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Does anyone have any experience with Vader cabs?


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#29
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The Powerball is the hottest ENGL Made. More than the fireball or screamer. The Powerball has the cleanest voicing and the best ballence of mids and highs. The Fireball is low mid focused. Almost a scooped voicing. My recomindation is a Powerball.


by hottest do you mean "best" or "most high gain"?

if you mean "most high gain", i'd agreed, but wouldn't agree on "best".
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