Poll: Creationism vs. Evolutionism
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#42
Quote by Blind In 1 Ear
ummm actually, its pretty clear about how people were created. it clearly says that adam was created from the dust and eve from his rib.


True dat, but as we are obviously not made of dust(or ribs) he had to do something there. It doesn't really say how that happened...
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Last edited by Mutant Corn at Dec 16, 2007,
#43
Quote by Mutant Corn
True dat, but as we are obviously not made of dust he had to do something there. It doesn't really say how that happened...

the bible is not supposed to be taken literally...
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#44
Quote by webbtje
Creationism, because I honestly think the Earth was created by some guy 4000 years ago despite all the proof it's been around for millions of years. Maybe God made fossils too?

In short, this is a silly thread.


I'm not a creationist, but evolution is BY NO MEANS a perfected theory.


Ok, so there's dust. And the dust swirls. And the dust makes clouds. The clouds hit. The clouds explode. Bang, and we've got a ****ing endless universe that is incomprehensible to the human mind. It's literally never-ending.


What came before the dust?

Where did the dust even come from?


How would you be able to prove that (For example) The Monotheistic deity of the Christian Dogma didn't place the dust there, or if he himself WAS the dust?


Evolution isn't perfected, you can only explain why there's dinosaurs, and why we're where we're at.


Personally, I don't believe in anything. I'm not too bothered about how the world came about.


Quote by MinistryRules08
None. I dont think god created us and i dont think we came from monkeys


So... We're.... Not... Actually... Primates?


Good thinking.

We are, darling.

We're not descendant from monkeys, we merely share a common evolutionary ancestor.
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#46
Quote by blues-guitarist
the bible is not supposed to be taken literally...


Not always...but that passage isn't really explained. Thus we honestly don't know how it happened...my point.
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#47
Quote by Mutant Corn
True dat, but as we are obviously not made of dust(or ribs) he had to do something there. It doesn't really say how that happened...

are you suggesting god "evolved" us? because if you are im going to have to ask you to point out where it says that. you cant even assume it actually. evolution takes place over many generations. adam would have needed parents. and the fact that god planned to make humans contradicts the randomness of evolution. there is no goal in evolution to become anything. so the two dont mix.
#48
Quote by Blind In 1 Ear
are you suggesting god "evolved" us? because if you are im going to have to ask you to point out where it says that. you cant even assume it actually. evolution takes place over many generations. adam would have needed parents. and the fact that god planned to make humans contradicts the randomness of evolution. there is no goal in evolution to become anything. so the two dont mix.


o.O I'm not suggesting anything. There's no possible way to know how this happened.

Besides..who's to say Adam waasn't a caveman? Not saying I believe that...just that we don't know...and honestly I don't think that how he got us here is as important as the fact that we're here in the first place.
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Last edited by Mutant Corn at Dec 16, 2007,
#49
It's possible that creation in the Bible was explained using fairy tales and symbolism because the theory of evolution was a bit to scientifically complex for the people of several thousand years ago. I do believe in evolution but maybe the Bible says man was created from "dirt" because life had to form from raw matter at some point. Who knows. I'm just randomly speculating.

Btw, isn't there a better thread for this?
#50
Quote by Constantine
I'm not a creationist, but evolution is BY NO MEANS a perfected theory.


Ok, so there's dust. And the dust swirls. And the dust makes clouds. The clouds hit. The clouds explode. Bang, and we've got a ****ing endless universe that is incomprehensible to the human mind. It's literally never-ending.


What came before the dust?

Where did the dust even come from?


How would you be able to prove that (For example) The Monotheistic deity of the Christian Dogma didn't place the dust there, or if he himself WAS the dust?


So Christians should worship dust? And believe that we made in the form of dust? Cool!
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#51
Quote by Mutant Corn
Not always...but that passage isn't really explained. Thus we honestly don't know how it happened...my point.


It would be kind of hard to re-interpret Genesis, methinks. It's fairly direct in what it's saying... And I doubt that it's been altered through translation, like some of Leviticus, Romans, or Corinthians.....

Quote by Blind In 1 Ear
are you suggesting god "evolved" us? because if you are im going to have to ask you to point out where it says that. you cant even assume it actually. evolution takes place over many generations. adam would have needed parents. and the fact that god planned to make humans contradicts the randomness of evolution. there is no goal in evolution to become anything. so the two dont mix.


Perhaps God is the catalyst for evolution in all things?

The two can absolutely be mixed, and an attempt to assert that they can't would only be factoring a very bland view of either theory into the idea.


Again, I don't believe in either... And I'm certainly not religious.

Quote by Nizzi
So Christians should worship dust? And believe that we made in the form of dust? Cool!


Not what I said, Fool.


I was simply offering a means to question evolution from a dogmatic standpoint... All that evolution has offered is the theory of the 'big bang', in which massive clouds of interstellar dust hit, and explode, creating a universe that is never-ending in size... My point is, that it's not established why the clouds or dust were there, or even how.

They just... Appeared from nothing, and exploded into a massive universe? Logical.

If you ARE Christian, I suggest you stop being condescending to someone who is defending your scripture from a secular-ish standpoint.
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Last edited by Constantine at Dec 16, 2007,
#52
Why does it matter?

I don't need to know whether I evolved from a gorilla or was created by a divine power.

I believe the former more than the latter, but it still doesn't matter much. People who have faith, can have faith, and it shouldn't affect those who don't believe in God.

That's the thing about these arguments, nobody is right.
#53
Quote by webbtje
Creationism, because I honestly think the Earth was created by some guy 4000 years ago despite all the proof it's been around for millions of years. Maybe God made fossils too?

In short, this is a silly thread.

if it was that simple, there werent any people that believed in creatonism anymore
#54
Quote by Constantine
It would be kind of hard to re-interpret Genesis, methinks. It's fairly direct in what it's saying... And I doubt that it's been altered through translation, like some of Leviticus, Romans, or Corinthians.....


Perhaps God is the catalyst for evolution in all things?

The two can absolutely be mixed, and an attempt to assert that they can't would only be factoring a very bland view of either theory into the idea.


Again, I don't believe in either... And I'm certainly not religious.


no. the two absolutly do not mix. i just explained one of the reasons why. evolution has no goal in mind. with a creator there is a plan. that alone means they contradict and no not mix. you would have to change either what the theory of evolution states, or what the bible states. but the the two as is dont work together.
#55
Quote by Fate_of_Mind
Why does it matter?

I don't need to know whether I evolved from a gorilla or was created by a divine power.

I believe the former more than the latter, but it still doesn't matter much. People who have faith, can have faith, and it shouldn't affect those who don't believe in God.

That's the thing about these arguments, nobody is right.


I'd like to think one side is very right, and the other one is as right as michael moore naked on a cold day outside your house.
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#56
Quote by Constantine
I'm not a creationist, but evolution is BY NO MEANS a perfected theory.


Ok, so there's dust. And the dust swirls. And the dust makes clouds. The clouds hit. The clouds explode. Bang, and we've got a ****ing endless universe that is incomprehensible to the human mind. It's literally never-ending.


What came before the dust?

Where did the dust even come from?


How would you be able to prove that (For example) The Monotheistic deity of the Christian Dogma didn't place the dust there, or if he himself WAS the dust?




Firstly, thats not evolution. That's the big bang theory.


Secondly the big bang theory has nothing to do with dust swirling around and then there being an explosion. Depending on which theory you take (there are many possabilities with the big bang theory) you have different ideas about what came before the bang.

The most current theory, M theory, hypothosises that our universe was created when two membranes that exist in another dimension collided. Its far more complex than that, but I'm not getting into the crazily complex maths and theoretical physics that i barely understand
#57
Quote by iforgotmyname
Is creationism supported by science? -retorical question, don't you answer.


Actually..yes. A good portion of the Bible is.
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#59
Quote by Fate_of_Mind
Why does it matter?

I don't need to know whether I evolved from a gorilla or was created by a divine power.

I believe the former more than the latter, but it still doesn't matter much. People who have faith, can have faith, and it shouldn't affect those who don't believe in God.

That's the thing about these arguments, nobody is right.


actually as ive explained earlier, evolution is a proven event. no one said you came from a gorilla. evolution doesnt say that at all. it says we share a common ancestor with them. we still dont know exactly how humans came to be but we know for certain that evolution does in fact happen and that it happened in the past.
#60
Quote by Blind In 1 Ear
no. the two absolutly do not mix. i just explained one of the reasons why. evolution has no goal in mind. with a creator there is a plan. that alone means they contradict and no not mix. you would have to change either what the theory of evolution states, or what the bible states. but the the two as is dont work together.



Apathy is a glorious thing.


I'm so full of it, that I'm not even going to bother arguing with you anymore, if you're just going to continue to look at the extremes of these theologies.
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#62
Neither.
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#64
Quote by rizo299
Firstly, thats not evolution. That's the big bang theory.


Secondly the big bang theory has nothing to do with dust swirling around and then there being an explosion. Depending on which theory you take (there are many possabilities with the big bang theory) you have different ideas about what came before the bang.

The most current theory, M theory, hypothosises that our universe was created when two membranes that exist in another dimension collided. Its far more complex than that, but I'm not getting into the crazily complex maths and theoretical physics that i barely understand


Oh for fucks sakes.

X_______X Fucking scientists should just let it go.


I'm going to go smoke a ****load of chronic, this discussion is such a drag...
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#65
Quote by Blind In 1 Ear
no. the two absolutly do not mix. i just explained one of the reasons why. evolution has no goal in mind. with a creator there is a plan. that alone means they contradict and no not mix. you would have to change either what the theory of evolution states, or what the bible states. but the the two as is dont work together.


You're a little bid of an idiot. They can mix, it's creation but with God using evolution in it. It involves not taking the Genesis literally. Your logic is stupid, just because one sense of evolution has no creator, doesn't mean that you cannot mix the two.
#66
Quote by Constantine
Apathy is a glorious thing.


I'm so full of it, that I'm not even going to bother arguing with you anymore, if you're just going to continue to look at the extremes of these theologies.

umm actually i just have studied the two long enough to know that they dont mix. they are two different concepts. concepts cannot be one thing and another. can the concept of the number 2 be also the number 3?

im not going to argue with you anymore if you dont learn how to properly look at theories and concepts and stop giving yourself answers you want to hear.
#67
Quote by bequickorbedead
You're a little bid of an idiot. They can mix, it's creation but with God using evolution in it. It involves not taking the Genesis literally. Your logic is stupid, just because one sense of evolution has no creator, doesn't mean that you cannot mix the two.


lol. can you read? i just said that the two dont mix as is. AS IS. i said you have to change one of them. people sometimes....
#68
"We are the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a fish squirrel."
That seems fine to me
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#69
Quote by Blind In 1 Ear
actually as ive explained earlier, evolution is a proven event. no one said you came from a gorilla. evolution doesnt say that at all. it says we share a common ancestor with them. we still dont know exactly how humans came to be but we know for certain that evolution does in fact happen and that it happened in the past.


Well, I understand that. But some people aren't going to believe that. Humans are stubborn by nature, and not everybody will agree on the same thing no matter how much evidence is given. The evidence is why if I were to make a decision, I would believe in evolution. But my point was that too many people make a big deal out of it, as if it's the end of the world if you evolved from something (gorillas being my example because it's the most common) as opposed to being created. I've seen people tear at each other's throats until they didn't have anything more to say over this topic and other topics like this. I just don't really care too much . As great as it is to have all the answers to life, some matter less than others. I'm not going to feel any better knowing how I came to be what I am.


EDIT:

Quote by Blind In 1 Ear
umm actually i just have studied the two long enough to know that they dont mix. they are two different concepts. concepts cannot be one thing and another. can the concept of the number 2 be also the number 3?

im not going to argue with you anymore if you dont learn how to properly look at theories and concepts and stop giving yourself answers you want to hear.


No, the concept of the number 2 alone cannot be the concept of the number 3 also. But, the concept of the number 2 added to the concept of the number 1 can become the concept of the number 3. Which is the point that they are trying to make. Just make 3 the hybrid of theories, make 1 evolution, and 2 creationism.
Last edited by Fate_of_Mind at Dec 16, 2007,
#70
I am a Christian therefore I am a creationist. I don't necessarily believed we were created in 6 literal days though. Its funny that we measure days by the sun and the moon but according to the Bible they were only created in day 4. It may seem illogical to some of you to believe in a Divine Power as the Creator of the universe without scientific proven fact. But neither is evolution. I could go on and on about why I am living my life as a Christian.

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the bible is not supposed to be taken literally...



#71
Quote by Mutant Corn
explain?

Psuedo-science, it looks like science on the surface but when you take a second glance its obvious that its not actually scientific in its method's at all.

Claims of supernatural origins of life aren't science because they can't be tested by experiment, observed in anyway, they don't generate any predictions and they make no new hypotheses of their own.

Quote by Constantine
Oh for fucks sakes.

X_______X Fucking scientists should just let it go.



Believe me, when you've looked at all the evidence and background to the theory it makes a lot of sense. The fact that atoms exist in more than one place at a time is evidence of the existance of multiple dimensions
Last edited by rizo299 at Dec 16, 2007,
#72
Quote by Blind In 1 Ear
lol. can you read? i just said that the two dont mix as is. AS IS. i said you have to change one of them. people sometimes....


If you mix two things they do change. You change both sides. You are so fucking stupid. No one said both happened, of course they contradict. Some people are just saying you can take some things from either side and make a third theory...
#73
Quote by mcw00t
"so you mean if the father is sterile, the kid will be sterile too?"

Proof God exists and evolution is a lie:
Quote by elguitarrista3
the prove is u because u did n create urself and ur parents dindt and their parents didnt and so on and we are not monkeys peace

#74
Quote by Fate_of_Mind
Well, I understand that. But some people aren't going to believe that. Humans are stubborn by nature, and not everybody will agree on the same thing no matter how much evidence is given. The evidence is why if I were to make a decision, I would believe in evolution. But my point was that too many people make a big deal out of it, as if it's the end of the world if you evolved from something (gorillas being my example because it's the most common) as opposed to being created. I've seen people tear at each other's throats until they didn't have anything more to say over this topic and other topics like this. I just don't really care too much . As great as it is to have all the answers to life, some matter less than others. I'm not going to feel any better knowing how I came to be what I am.


EDIT:


No, the concept of the number 2 alone cannot be the concept of the number 3 also. But, the concept of the number 2 added to the concept of the number 1 can become the concept of the number 3. Which is the point that they are trying to make. Just make 3 the hybrid of theories, make 1 evolution, and 2 creationism.


i understand but im saying they dont mix. science and creationism contradict. science tries to explain the universe without a creator. it follows evidence to answers and works with what is known and given. creationsim is the opposite. the two theories dont mix unless you change one of them. thats what ive been saying.
#75
Quote by Joshrocker48
I am a Christian therefore I am a creationist.
If you believe Creationism contradicts Evolution, then this statement is a logical fallacy.
#76
#77
Quote by bequickorbedead
If you mix two things they do change. You change both sides. You are so fucking stupid. No one said both happened, of course they contradict. Some people are just saying you can take some things from either side and make a third theory...


yea and that is fu*king stupid sorry to say. when you do that, you are just picking and choosing what you think is best. its not about actual evidence anymore. its just personal opinions and dont really mean anything when finding answers. if you think god guided evolution, your belief isnt backed up by any side. its illogical to believe in this. the two as is dont mix and when you try to mix them, its useless because it isnt backed by anything.
#78
Quote by rizo299
Psuedo-science, it looks like science on the surface but when you take a second glance its obvious that its not actually scientific in its method's at all.

Claims of supernatural origins of life aren't science because they can't be tested by experiment, observed in anyway, they don't generate any predictions and they make no new hypotheses of their own.


Pseudo-science...like when soil samples from several parts of the world showed evidence of the flood in a time period corresponding to the one mentioned in genesis? Or maybe when one of king Solomon's stables was found by archaeologists that corresponded to the size the kingdom was supposed to be? Or when the story of Jesus was predicted over 800 years before his birth? Or when astronomers found that the "star" over Jesus's birth was actually there near the time when he was supposed to be born?

...I could go on with this all day...
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#79
Quote by The Madcap
If you believe Creationism contradicts Evolution, then this statement is a logical fallacy.



I didn't elaborate. What I said was that I am a creationist which means belief in a creator (intelligent design). I am by no means saying evolution is non-existent. Because there is proof of it. Organisms do change from generation to generation. But also proof of evolution does not mean that there was no intelligent design. Saying that would also be a logical fallacy.
#80
Quote by The Madcap
I'm sorry, but I just am not going to watch all of that.


Neither did I. I just thought it was an interesting series and fitting to this thread.
Quote by mcw00t
"so you mean if the father is sterile, the kid will be sterile too?"

Proof God exists and evolution is a lie:
Quote by elguitarrista3
the prove is u because u did n create urself and ur parents dindt and their parents didnt and so on and we are not monkeys peace