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We must thank John Mayer for spearheading the blues/guitar rock movement. He did pop to get listened to, and slowly moved his way into blues and more guitar-rock sort of style. I say thank you John Mayer. John Mayer fans will spread, and a new sound must come about. Blues is back i say. Are there any other musicians like him out there making blues?

Let me set a few things straight before everyone shares their opinions. I for one am not a John Mayer fan, though I will listen to a little bit of his music and I do respect his work. I dont quite call it blues, more of a saturated blues maybe. Pretty much a pop blues. But who am I to say? Let me hear what you guys think.



P.S. This does not belong in the Only John Mayer Thread, for it is not about him, but about the future and rise of blues.
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Is it as much of a movement as you think? Not a single person that listens to the mainstream will name John Mayer as a favorite artist of theirs in my area. He did make some pop songs, but they all got swept away as quickly as any other pop song. I think you are just seeing a small part of the big picture by calling it a movement because it isn't.
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Meh, Blues will never be mainstream. I prefer blues to be unpopular because once it becomes very popular it just becomes a fashion statement to listen to it. I could care less if blues made a big comeback because to me, that would mean that blues would become more and more saturated by what the industry wants (because they want their music to become mainstream) and then therefor blues would probably be left in the dust of this 'new' genre.

That's what happened in the '70s. Rock n Roll evolved off of blues, now look at what is popular. Rock. Not blues. That would be the exact same if blues became popular again.

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Meh, Blues will never be mainstream. I prefer blues to be unpopular because once it becomes very popular it just becomes a fashion statement to listen to it. I could care less if blues made a big comeback because to me, that would mean that blues would become more and more saturated by what the industry wants (because they want their music to become mainstream) and then therefor blues would probably be left in the dust of this 'new' genre.

That's what happened in the '70s. Rock n Roll evolved off of blues, now look at what is popular. Rock. Not blues. That would be the exact same if blues became popular again.

That's just my two cents


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There's a semi-famous band out there called the Derek Trucks Band. Although it's not blues exactly, it has a soul feel to it. It's helping this blues "movement". On the cover of Rolling Stone magezine, it had the 3 greatest new guitarists, John Mayer and Derek Trucks were both on there...which means that people still think that blues is the future of guitars.

But blues is not mainstream now. The only reason I know about The Derek Trucks Band is because my cousin is in it. The one major advancer of the blues movement is the Eric Clapton Crossroads Festival in Chicago. People flock there every year and listen to the old and new versions of blues.

I do believe that blues is popular, just not mainstream.
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There's a semi-famous band out there called the Derek Trucks Band. Although it's not blues exactly, it has a soul feel to it. It's helping this blues "movement". On the cover of Rolling Stone magezine, it had the 3 greatest new guitarists, John Mayer and Derek Trucks were both on there...which means that people still think that blues is the future of guitars.

But blues is not mainstream now. The only reason I know about The Derek Trucks Band is because my cousin is in it. The one major advancer of the blues movement is the Eric Clapton Crossroads Festival in Chicago. People flock there every year and listen to the old and new versions of blues.

I do believe that blues is popular, just not mainstream.


I agree, and I am aware of the Drek Trucks Band, i cant beleive i forgot about them. I have the crossroads 07 dvd, great stuff on there. I agree, blues is popular, but not mainstream.

And remeber people, blues used to be pop music back in the day. Jazz used to be pop. I reccomend reading/skimming the book "Robert Johnson: History of the blues" or something like that. It puts it into perspective.
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I agree, and I am aware of the Drek Trucks Band, i cant beleive i forgot about them. I have the crossroads 07 dvd, great stuff on there. I agree, blues is popular, but not mainstream.

And remeber people, blues used to be pop music back in the day. Jazz used to be pop. I reccomend reading/skimming the book "Robert Johnson: History of the blues" or something like that. It puts it into perspective.

I didn't say it was mainstream. I said that if blues did become mainstream, it would just die again. Just like it did when it was mainstream back in the '40s, '50s and 60's, then Rock came and killed blues. I mean, there were still traces of blues in rock, but nothing like the good old Delta Blues songs.
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But blues is not mainstream now. The only reason I know about The Derek Trucks Band is because my cousin is in it. The one major advancer of the blues movement is the Eric Clapton Crossroads Festival in Chicago. People flock there every year and listen to the old and new versions of blues.


Holy crap, which one is your cousin?
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yeah, john mayer got me properly into the blues. i was a classic rock guy, but he got me into srv and the rest is history.......

blues will never be mainstream. i personally wouldn´t like it to be mainstream, as it will get diluted and you´ll end up with pop songs being described as blues, DJ dickhead remixing texas flood, and the rich history being forgoten by "new fans" who will think that john mayer is the best blues musician/god ever. don´t get me wrong, im a mayer disciple, but he´s got a LONG way to go!

ive never really listened to derek trucks, but as soon as i get back to england, ill check him out. Anyone who is a big coltrane fan deserves my time!
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I prefer blues to be unpopular because once it becomes very popular it just becomes a fashion statement to listen to it.

+1
It's becoming a trend to be 'open-minded' for metalheads, I can see a lot of "lol i lyk bl00s itz kool ye secks me nao?" type people round the corner
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^what the hell dude? most metalheads listen to sabbath, led zep, or something of the sort, and they are heavily blues influenced bands. metalheads seem to have more of an instinct to go back and look at the roots of the music they love than anyone else, and that's why a lot of us like blues. but a lot of us don't get heaps into it, because metal is our first love.

contrary to popular opinion, people can like more than one kind of music.


but yeah, i'm only kind of half down for blues to get popular...if it gets popular via people who don't care about anyone else, and do their own thing (kind of like the attitude people like johnny cash and all the good country musicians had) then it'll probably have a bit of an emphasis on originality added. if it gets popular the wrong way, i think it would turn out the same way nashville turned out. not good.
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I don't mind if it gets popular.
But first; I have no idea what blues we are talking about.

I only listen to delta blues, but used to listen to other stuff, and basically, I don't see it coming back, because there isn't slavery. I'm not saying slavery was a good thing in any way, at all, but it did stem from there, from west Africa to America.
I don't see someone like Son House, or Blind Willie Johnson just appearing to the world again.
I'd like any sort of blues to become popular now though, firstly because in my eyes, blues is better than rap, hip hop etc etc. I'd like to see more blues, but I don't think it would be the same. Yeah, it might be good, but I doubt anything *in my opinion* great coming from it.

I actually see metal rising again, not blues. But oh well, doesn't bother me.

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Ok, here is my 2 cents:

Blues isn't the kind of music that could ever be "mainstream." It just ins't the kind of music that could be processed and made into a pop culture sensation. I don't really have reasons why, I think we all know it though. And that isn't a bad thing. I don't want to see blues become mainstream, I want to see a blues movement though. If you look back over the last 50 years or so, there was a huge blues movement/boom in the 1960's. There was another in the 80's, headed by the great SRV. 20 years in between each, maybe we are overdue for another one? I think it would be amazing if blues were to have a comeback, and another boom, but that wouldn't mean it is mainstream, there is a big difference. Blues is in a little bit of a dry spell right now, but who knows, maybe another boom is coming. I think we would all appriciate that, as it is a very different thing from it becoming mainstream.

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there's enough great blues through the ages i can listen to and stay happy. i dont want it to become mainstream so some skinny, whiny pretty boy can pretend he can play. dont take that the wrong way
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i prefer it not be popular or mainstream. it would start to become over-commericialized.

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I suppose there is plenty of blues.
It's not as popular as it ever has been, be it in between the 20's and 80's, but there is still blues around nowadays, even if it isn't mainstream, it's still there so I don't see a difference or problem with it not being mainstream.
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there's enough great blues through the ages i can listen to and stay happy. i dont want it to become mainstream so some skinny, whiny pretty boy can pretend he can play. dont take that the wrong way


that guy is me! hmmm, i have to think of another way to become a famous blues musician
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As a metalhead, I have to say for blues fans sake that blues does not become populer. Right now, many people are listening to the biggest metal bands, plus a few posuer bands. These people are usually in High School, and are obviosly just following a trend. They do not embrace any of metals aspects other than listening to some bands. Now, us metalheads have to deal with this flock of poseurs.

Imagine if the blues became popular, and suddenly kids around the world started listening to SRV and Buddy Guy, but had no respect for the genres roots, history, or just the art. They learn a couple of blues standards but don't contribute to the music. it would suck
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As a metalhead, I have to say for blues fans sake that blues does not become populer. Right now, many people are listening to the biggest metal bands, plus a few posuer bands. These people are usually in High School, and are obviosly just following a trend. They do not embrace any of metals aspects other than listening to some bands. Now, us metalheads have to deal with this flock of poseurs.

Imagine if the blues became popular, and suddenly kids around the world started listening to SRV and Buddy Guy, but had no respect for the genres roots, history, or just the art. They learn a couple of blues standards but don't contribute to the music. it would suck


Yeah, agreed completly. But it wouldn't do any harm if we saw another blues movement or boom, which is a completly different thing than it becoming mainstream.
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I think Blues Rock is back in a different shape and form, maybe one like a Cream but of course not as talented. Bands like The White Stripes and The Black Keys are more of the leaders of bringing blues rock to the forefront for now a days. Blues music is music that moves musicians and not your mainstream top 40 hip hopers. There are many great guitar players that will go down without being known due to blues being so unmainstream. The new Blues Rock is around and will thrive in its niche but I doubt it will ever be #1 on TRL.

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. Blues is back i say. Are there any other musicians like him out there making blues?


Of Course there are ****ing blues musicians , there always will be, if you look past the end of your nose.
Blues is everywhere, and influenced everything.

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I'll agree with dimebag, and drink to it with FallenSaint

I really hope it doesnt become mainstream. what it is now is perfect. I can go downtown Minneapolis MN to a random bar and hear blues, but I turn on the radio and I don't hear it. Thats perfect, in my opinion.

And hey, if it becomes mainstream and all cool to listen to like a fad, I'll have to die because of the people that would take machines and such to generate "tunes". If I ever hear real blues on a top 40 station I think would be the day the world ends.

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I didn't say it was mainstream. I said that if blues did become mainstream, it would just die again. Just like it did when it was mainstream back in the '40s, '50s and 60's, then Rock came and killed blues.

The Blues was never a mainstream event until the mid 60's invasion of the british bands. 'Twas considered as black ethno/folk music, as marginal as Louisiana Cajun, contained in blues clubs in Chicago, Detroit, and St.Louis, even by blacks with more or less of a formal musical education who would turn to jazz or R'n'B.

In the 50's and 60's the only success blues players like Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker and Howlin' Wolf had was in Europe, and even then it was moderate, attracting more of an eclectic audience that would equally listen to american avant-garde jazz, Europe having already been well exposed to New Orleans Jazz and Gypsy Jazz after WWI.

In fact, the first bill in the US featuring Blues tagged artists and bands (distinguishing them from Blues-Rock or Boogie bands like Canned Heat, Lonnie Mack, Cream) that generated a buzz in newspapers nationwide was the Ann Arbor Blues Festival 1969, August 1&2, two weeks before Woodstock.

Even Blues venues at the Fillmore between 1966 and 1968 were then considered nothing more than local and never sold out the rough 1000 capacity. In comparaison, in aug-sept 1967, Cream sold out 5 of 11 nights there with the Paul Butterfield Blues Band as opening act.


It took mixed bills like Albert King, Chuck Berry AND The Who to sell out a Fillmore East +3000 capacity.

So, no, Rock never killed the Blues.
Instead, it gave US blues acts more audience had venues sported blues only bands.
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ColdGin is full of knowledge.

And is it just me, or is John Mayer a good example of what would happen if blues DID become mainstream? Rather than blues, we would have some pop/blues fusion that people CALLED blues.
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ColdGin is full of knowledge.

And is it just me, or is John Mayer a good example of what would happen if blues DID become mainstream? Rather than blues, we would have some pop/blues fusion that people CALLED blues.

Was Santana ever labelled as "mariachi", "cuban", "african" music ?

Clapton, "reggae" ?

Peter Frampton's "Show me the way", "bossa-nova" ?

The "spanish" mini-wave, when Elton John, Madonna, Bryan Adams all put out singles with bits of spanish guitar ? It wasn't called "spanish" music even so.

Ricky Martin, Shakira, Christina Aguilera ? They may often be labelled "Latino", but hardly considered as "salsa" or "samba" references.
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ColdGin really does know his stuff, and I've never even seen him around before!

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all modern music comes from blues. Period. End of story. Look at Amy Winehouse. Look at John Mayer. Down. Queens of the Stoneage. Soulfly. Audioslave. The Foo Fighters. Shall I continue? My point is that because blues is constantly evolving, and being borrowed, isn't blues (at least part of it) mainstream anyway? I'm not saying that stuff that sounds like howlin wolf or john lee hooker is part of the mainstream or that its even predominant in niche styles but it is still there where ever you turn your ear. And if that can get casual music fans or punks or metalheads to listen to stuff like Hellhound on my Trail or Mannish Boy, Thats enough for me.
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Is it wrong to want to help blues come back and be listened too a bit more widely?

I was curious: how many of you write and record your own song in a band?
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Is it wrong to want to help blues come back and be listened too a bit more widely?

I was curious: how many of you write and record your own song in a band?


I do.
We play a lot of blues covers.
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I do.
We play a lot of blues covers.

Awesome, thats great.. Right now i'm working on Purple Haze by Jimi Hendrix.. I dig the chord shape he has placed out over the 6-8th frets. it sounds really nice.
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If John Mayer is the "future" of Blues, then god help us.
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If John Mayer is the "future" of Blues, then god help us.

Have you actually heard John Mayer other than the stuff they play on the radio? If not, then I suggest you better listen to him before making comments like that. Read this http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/Dimebag22/blog/10231/.
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If John Mayer is the "future" of Blues, then god help us.


At the moment, John Mayer is converting more people into blues fans than anyone else at the moment. You might not like his music, but a lot of new blues players will be influenced by him. He's also making blues more accessible to popular music fans. His CDs are always near to the till in music shops, with the most popular albums of the week, and i think that its great that a blues artist is with the most popular cds. Lets face it, if people go into a music shop and want to find a new cd to listen to, they are more likely to buy the John Mayer album, than to walk upstairs/downstairs to the small blues section to pick up a Muddy Waters album. If people like his blues music, then they will check out more "traditional" blues.

Some people think of him as a blues artist, and some think of him as a stepping stone to blues music. But im sure that we can all agree that he is attracting a lot of younger fans into blues.
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Have you actually heard John Mayer other than the stuff they play on the radio? If not, then I suggest you better listen to him before making comments like that. Read this http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/Dimebag22/blog/10231/.


Yes I have. I don't listen to the radio anyway.

Even so, he's a decent guitarist, but how anyone can listen to him sing is beyond me.

Watching him is even worse - he tries too hard to look "blues" by pulling those rediculous constipation faces. He should watch Derek Trucks, who can rip an awesome solo without contorting his face into a boxing glove
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Yes I have. I don't listen to the radio anyway.

Even so, he's a decent guitarist, but how anyone can listen to him sing is beyond me.

Watching him is even worse - he tries too hard to look "blues" by pulling those rediculous constipation faces. He should watch Derek Trucks, who can rip an awesome solo without contorting his face into a boxing glove


dude, that is called guitar face

it's involuntary, many people look like total morons when they play

especially me

and I think he sings pretty damn well

how can you "look blues"? I don't care if he's wearing a suit and a fedora or jeans and a t shirt, it's the music that counts
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dude, that is called guitar face

it's involuntary, many people look like total morons when they play

especially me

and I think he sings pretty damn well

how can you "look blues"? I don't care if he's wearing a suit and a fedora or jeans and a t shirt, it's the music that counts


I know what a guitar face is, and I also know that it's usually put on...
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I know what a guitar face is, and I also know that it's usually put on...

You wanna see some guitar face? Look at BB King, so what are you gonna do now? Rip on BB King, The King of The Blues?
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You wanna see some guitar face? Look at BB King, so what are you gonna do now? Rip on BB King, The King of The Blues?


Never mind

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