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suckmahnuts
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#1
so my band is currently looking for a singer and we stumbled upon this chick is is an amazing singer. so we invited her to our next band practice. But now one of our guitarists is complaining that he doesn't want to be in a chick band like paramore.
so what are some things to get him to open up to the fact we might have a chick singer?
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#2
tell him to get a grip
or kick his ass
or make him drool over her
ginjaninja
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#3
listen to flyleaf =]]

tell him that you get a chick singer, and do well because there are few bands like yours out there, or you dont get a chcick singer, never have a singer, and play greenday without vocals foreverandever.

edit: ive just realised, that if shes hot, well. yep. shes hot. that kinda explains itself doesnt it?
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#4
girls have large vocal ranges, and can do most things that a male singer can do.
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#5
I'd say he does have a point that sometimes a female singer can take attention away from the rest of the band like Paramore but the fact that she is female shouldn't be a issue if you are decent musicians.
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#6
Guitarists are not difficult to find.

Tell him that there's no harm in giving it a try, and if doesn't feel right with a girl fronting the band you'll change it. But if it's alright, and he's still unhappy, tell him to clear off.
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#8
Show him Nightwish.
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#9
He sounds like fucking cunt matey. How sexist can you get? Tell him to live with it or kick him out.
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#10
i can see where hes coming from cuz sumtimes a girl singer CAN make your band rock a little less. Tell him to listen 2 a song by Kitten
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#11
At the end of the day it doesnt matter if you have a chick singer or a dude. Its who fills that spot the best. In my experience its different writting music for female singers...take that for what it is, hopefully she brings writing skills along with her.

Ability and attitude is far more important the gender.
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#12
+1 to nigthwish and its Kitty (or kittie..O cant remember >.>') but the heart is still there.

Make sure that that band memebers and the singer are on the same wave lengh. We had a female singer once - It was good untill we wanted to do more heavy stuff like AC/DC and metallica. Just be carefull - Just cos she is an awesome singer doesnt mean shes gonna suit your band.

As for the wanker guitarist show him some awesome bands with female singers..Nightwish and Kitty are a good start
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#13
Kick him out and keep the singer. If he's going to be all shovensitic like that, then its not worth it. Its easier to find a guitarist then a (good)singer anyway.

Or, convince him that having a girl lead singer doesn't mean your going to be a "chick" band.

(Though, being a girl, i'd kick him out)
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#14
I have, in the cliche style, two words for you.

JEFFERSON. AIRPLANE.

(That's Grace Slick...)

Add to that Garbage, Hole, Nightwish, Alanis Morissette, Annie Lennox, Blondie, The Cranberries, Evanescence, Big Brother & The Holding Company w/Janis Joplin, Velvet Underground w/Nico, The Mamas & Papas, No Doubt, The Pixies, The Pogues, The Yeah Yeah Yeahs.

All bands that have either lead or ocassional female vocals. Most are great to a various degree, and they definitely show that female vocalists are not just a gimmick or an oddity.

I can understand your guitarists' perspective if he doesn't think a female voice can achieve the sound he wants the vocals to have - say, gritty or low etc - but unless this is his gripe, you need to tell him to wise up.


EDIT:
If he's going to be all shovensitic like that

Chauvinistic. Like I said, if this is the reason, then he needs to wise up, but if his problem is that a female vocalist physically cannot do what he wants your band's vocals to do, then he has a valid, non-sexist point. It's not her fault she's female and can't do what he wants, but on the flip-side, it's not his fault she's female and can't do what he wants. Even if this is his problem, I'd still try to convince him to at least give her a go (which he pretty much has to do if he's being reasonable), because if she's a good singer, he'll probably forget that she can't growl death metal.
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jimRH7
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#15
call me sexist, but i for one can see where he's coming from. alot of female fronted bands can become totally centered round the girl, and the band become glorified session musicians. a good example is Texas.
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#16
Look at Sheryl Crow, Heart, Janis Joplin, Pat Benatar and Lita Ford and try to tell me girls can't rock...Ann Wilson (Heart) can play circles around your guitar player I'd be willing to bet. SHe's one of the most talented guitar players I've ever seen live. MOst of Heart's lead work was her, not the guy guitar player.

Lita Ford...Don't know that much about her, but I saw her on a MTV guitar greats show, they put her onstage with Tony Iommi. She blew Sabbath's guitar player right out the door...

I've played and sat in with bands with female singers, or fronted by them and always liked it pretty well. A female vocalist can extend the band's range of capabilities, or limit them, whichever way you let it go.

This guy needs to get a life, music is not just for guys. It's already been pointed out, guitar players are not hard to find, he should be willing to at least give this girl a chance, if the band then decides to keep her as vocalist he can live with it or you can find a replacement.

But do yourselves a huge favor, avoid having every guy in the band constantly trying to hit on her, I promise she'll eventually get tired of it, probably pretty quick, and it WILL break up the band if you let it happen. Focus on music, not getting her into the bedroom. If you can't do that you might as well write it off and move on, it'll never work. She has to be just "one of the guys" or it's over before it ever starts. And just so you'll know, it's not easy for her to do either. Getting along in an all male group will be a major challenge for her too.
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jimRH7
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#17
An exelent point Paloe Pete!

I went to see motorhead when Crucified Barbra were the support. They played an exelent set, But afterwards all folk talked about was how fit they were, the music was completly tossed to the side whereas any other support band would have sparked an deep intelectual disscusion on music.

I probably couldn't function in a Rock band with a girl cause most songs i write are at the Whitesnake level of songs about women. I just wouldn't be comfortable saying to a girl That i know and respect well enough to play with in a band that i view her and every other women as objects, cause i don't, unless i'm writing a song!
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#18
Don't forget The Donna's, they know how to rock

But yeah, tell him to deal with it and see how it all comes together. It could sound awful or it could just work a treat. He'd be cutting off his nose to spite his face.
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#19
I'm not sexist or anything but personally I would never want to be in a band with a girl singer. They almost always end up taking the spotlight and you end up becoming a backing band instead of a band.
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#20
Yeah, man...if shes hot, just tell him shes single...bam...you have a singer.
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#21
Why are so many of you fellas so obsessed with not letting someone else have the spotlight? I mean honestly--scared you won't get as much recognition in the band? Personally I'd be happy making music with a woman who got all the attention because I'd still be making music. I don't give a rat's ass about getting equal treatment in the minds of the audience as long as I know I'm actually an important part of their musical experience whether they know it or not.

If she becomes a front"man" that has a lot of charisma and brings more people to shows then by all means let her steal the spotlight. The audience doesn't have to know that everyone in the band is equal as long as that's how it really is.
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#22
^ That's true.

Also, it's all about a member in the band wanting to shine. The amount of times I've seen female fronted bands where she's jumping around, with the band standing around sedate...it's crazy. No wonder they don't get noticed.
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#23
Honestly, theres probably not much you can do to change his mind and he might end up quitting (I did when my old band got a girl singer). Theres just a stigma attached to current bands who have guys who play instruments and girls who are the frontman (frontwoman in this case). I'm sorry, but its true. If you're playing at a school show or something, no ones going to care or take you seriously, I know from EXPERIENCE because I've played shows with a female singer while the instruments were played by all guys, I'm not just being a chauvanistic asshole. The focus ends up totally on her and she becomes Avril Lavigne and you guys become her back up band. I'm not saying kick her out, you're free to do what you want, but I'm just saying what happened to my old band, and why you're friend probably isn't going to open up to the idea of having a girl singer.

Listing bands like "OH JEFFERSON AIRPLANE, VELVET UNDERGROUND, MAMAS AND PAPAS, bla bla bla" as a rationale for having a female singer for a band of all males is pointless because the 60s were a different time. Even up until 10 or 15 years ago, having a female singer wasn't a big deal (especially if she also played an instrument or some of the other band members take lead vocals every now and then), but since the whole pop punk craze with Avril Lavigne or Ashley Simpson or whoever, having a female as your sole vocalist shifts the attention away from the band and more towards her as the singer. Plus, guys will most likely just judge the whole band on the looks of your singer, which isn't a good thing, but hey thats life.

So all in all, your friend will most likely not change his mind.

EDIT: Oh, and having a hot female singer is NOT a good thing, as all of the other bandmembers will end up fighting over her, not only driving her away, but ruining the relationship of you and your bandmates (in some cases even your friendships).
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#25
Call me sexist as well, I wouldn't call myself one but here's my view:

I tend to see girls as singers a cheap way to get around the "we need a singer" stage. There's alot more girls out there singing than guys, and it's easy to see the band as "cheap" when they get fropnted by a singer.

My oppinion, but I also belive that if the rets of the band is cool with it, try convince him. If he doesn't want to, it's his choice if he leaves or not.
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#26
This is ridiculous. Pick a singer who suits the music you play/want to play in the future, and somebody whose writing can mesh with that of the existing members. If this guitarist doesn't agree that she fits the band then he obviously has different views on how the band should sound (unless he really is just a shallow egoistic prick who is bothered about being upstaged, which, if he was good, wouldn't happen) and might not fit himself.

trey-col89, have you not noticed that the two examples of female singers which you gave are actually solo artists with bands who are quite openly their backing bands? If the band is a real band (as a collective), and not just a vehicle for the singer (male or female) then that sort of thing shouldn't happen unless the singer really is the most talented member.

Admittedly, singers get more attention, but thats a fact of being in a band and its true whether that singer is male or female. Also, some people might judge your band on the looks of a female singer, but those aren't the sort of people I'd want to know/have as fans anyway.
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#27
Quote by trey-col89


Listing bands like "OH JEFFERSON AIRPLANE, VELVET UNDERGROUND, MAMAS AND PAPAS, bla bla bla" as a rationale for having a female singer for a band of all males is pointless because the 60s were a different time. Even up until 10 or 15 years ago, having a female singer wasn't a big deal (especially if she also played an instrument or some of the other band members take lead vocals every now and then), but since the whole pop punk craze with Avril Lavigne or Ashley Simpson or whoever, having a female as your sole vocalist shifts the attention away from the band and more towards her as the singer. Plus, guys will most likely just judge the whole band on the looks of your singer, which isn't a good thing, but hey thats life.


IF those artists came along and changed the expectation for that type of band, thus creating this stigma, then new bands can come along and take it away. So many talented people I know have ****ty bands because they only fill the expectations of the current music scene, rather than trying to be original and progressive.
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#28
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This is ridiculous. Pick a singer who suits the music you play/want to play in the future, and somebody whose writing can mesh with that of the existing members. If this guitarist doesn't agree that she fits the band then he obviously has different views on how the band should sound (unless he really is just a shallow egoistic prick who is bothered about being upstaged, which, if he was good, wouldn't happen) and might not fit himself.

trey-col89, have you not noticed that the two examples of female singers which you gave are actually solo artists with bands who are quite openly their backing bands? If the band is a real band (as a collective), and not just a vehicle for the singer (male or female) then that sort of thing shouldn't happen unless the singer really is the most talented member.

Admittedly, singers get more attention, but thats a fact of being in a band and its true whether that singer is male or female. Also, some people might judge your band on the looks of a female singer, but those aren't the sort of people I'd want to know/have as fans anyway.
I like when people type up what I'm thinking, that way I don't have to. If she mixes with the band, is a good singer, can write good songs, and play instrument (it's a plus, but not required) then she should be in the band. It's alot harder to find singers than guitar players anyways.
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#29
Tell him you'll still play the same kind of music,and if he doesn't deal guitarists are easier to find than great vocalists.
I'm in a band with three girl singers,and a girl on drums and I'm not unhappy with our sound at all.
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#30
Quote by monkey_dancer

trey-col89, have you not noticed that the two examples of female singers which you gave are actually solo artists with bands who are quite openly their backing bands? If the band is a real band (as a collective), and not just a vehicle for the singer (male or female) then that sort of thing shouldn't happen unless the singer really is the most talented member.

It doesn't matter what you think should or shouldn't happen or that just because you know the band members all have equal share doesn't mean your audience will know.. or even care for that matter. People will see a frontwoman and instantly get the impression I said. I experienced it.
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#32
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give him an option, either she sings.....or he sings.

that was my option with a cocky player,so i decided to sing and so far so decent...
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#33
Quote by trey-col89
It doesn't matter what you think should or shouldn't happen or that just because you know the band members all have equal share doesn't mean your audience will know.. or even care for that matter. People will see a frontwoman and instantly get the impression I said. I experienced it.


My main point to this is: who cares? At least it gets you an audience and you get to make music.
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#34
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I'm not sexist or anything but personally I would never want to be in a band with a girl singer. They almost always end up taking the spotlight and you end up becoming a backing band instead of a band.

That's not because they're female, it's because they're the lead singer. It's their job to take most of the spotlight, that's why they call them frontmen... or frontwomen... or possibly even frontpersons..
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#35
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My main point to this is: who cares? At least it gets you an audience and you get to make music.

My main point to this is: I would. If I'm the one pouring my heart and sole into writing music, I'll be damned if I'm going to take a back seat to some chick who just happens to sing. I mean, thats great that you wouldn't care to be some girl's back up band as long as you "get to make music", but I would not have fun in that situation. How do I know? I was in that situation, and didn't like it. Its not fun, you sort of get this "what am I doing this for?" feeling.
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#36
Quote by trey-col89
My main point to this is: I would. If I'm the one pouring my heart and sole into writing music, I'll be damned if I'm going to take a back seat to some chick who just happens to sing. I mean, thats great that you wouldn't care to be some girl's back up band as long as you "get to make music", but I would not have fun in that situation. How do I know? I was in that situation, and didn't like it. Its not fun, you sort of get this "what am I doing this for?" feeling.
She should be pouring as much of herself into the music as you are. I wouldn't play with anybody, male or female, that isn't putting thier heart into thier music.
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#37
That wasn't really my point.

The other guy said that he wouldn't care if he got no spotlight and it all went to the female singer as long as he was able to "make music", but my response to that was, why wouldn't you care? If you're gigging, you are obviously doing it to play for people and get recognition, are you not? If not, you might as well just jam in your mom's basement for the rest of your musical career, and theres no problem with that if thats what you want. For me, I want to play in front of people, and if I am making said music, I want it to be known. I don't want to be shoved to the side because the singer in my band happens to be a girl.
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#38
I want to bring a messege to the people to help em out... I don't care if they don't know I'm the one who writes the lyrics, structures the songs, and works hard to get it out there as long as they're getting it
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#39
Thats where you and I differ, but agree to disagree. I mean, maybe you don't really understand where I am coming from, maybe I'm just bad at explaining it... and its really not a big deal, I'm not a sexist chauvanistic pig who wants to hold down all female musicians or singers, but theres a difference between being that guitarist from Evanescence (I don't know his name, perhaps thats my point) and being Paul Kantner or Jorma Kaukonen.
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#40
trey-col89,you'll still most likely take back seat to a guy if he's on vox and has enough stage presence anyway.
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