LaLaLaLoopy
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Im thinking of buying a Martin DXM, it sounds great but it does not have a clear coat finish, just bare wood, is this a good idea? pros and cons please...thanks
Chad48309
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I could make a great DXM joke right now, but I'll abstain (one for all the drug-buddies here). PROTIP: It's not wood. HPL is Martin's fancy term for cardboard. It's a crap guitar. You're paying out the nose for the name, really. For $450, you can get a solid wood guitar that won't fall apart if you take it outside. Not joking; Martin actually edited their warranty after reports of the whole guitar splitting apart. Now it's no longer covered.

Look at the Epiphone Masterbilt Series: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epiphone-Masterbilt-AJ500M-Advanced-Jumbo-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=519028

They actually use solid wood.
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#3
Don't waste your money on the Martin X series.
captivate
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all X series Martin guitars delaminate if not taken care of properly because of the HPL.

it just goes to show you that even if the company makes some of the best guitars in the world, it doesnt mean that they wont come out with a lot of crap too.
LaLaLaLoopy
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Well, that puts an end to that, thanks y'all for the quick replies and info.its greatly appreciated.
ghostmouse859
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#7
they don't even sound like acoustics. Try the road series and see if you like them. My friend has an 000M and swears by it, i have a 00-15 and swear by it.
LESH89
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#9
Martin DM (Laminate back and sides)-$899
Martin DSM/D-15 Custom Mahogany (both all Solid)-$749-$799

Tell me how that makes sense?
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The_Syrus
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#10
most of what they just said is bull****.


but I would strongly consider looking into equally priced taylor guitars, such as the 100 series, or equivilent Yamahas. I recently was browsing acoustics for purchase and that martin was on my list. I played it and I did like the tone, but for the price I didn't get a case or a high quality build. However the 210 Taylor I ended up purchasing came with an amazing case, all wood, and an amazing electronics system.
corndogggy
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Sub-$1,000 Martin's are turds. I played one on Friday night made out of the HPL crap. It feels like it was made out of a cheap kitchen counter top made in the 70's. Plus it was only 3 months old and joint on the back of it where it attaches to the sides in the lower corner had came apart and had a 5" long gap.

The sub-$1,000 Taylor's aren't much better. the 100 series is a total POS. The 200 series isn't that great either, and the electronics is just an under saddle transducer, with very few features on the preamp, but they name it similar to the ES electronics in the 300+ series.

If you really want to spend $500-$600, look at the Alvarez professional series. I just bought a used one, supposed to be $470, I got it and a new deluxe Gator case and new Martin strings all for $150. I am not joking at all when I say that it would absolutely kill anything from Martin or Taylor that is less than $1,000. I have played multiple guitars like this and they just can't compare. Yeah those others are made in the U.S.A., but when they're worse than the Korean ones yet they cost a ton more, what's the point? The Alvarez costs half as much as some of the HPL offerings from these companies, yet it's solid spruce and mahogany AND has wood binding, and plays/sounds GREAT. The only guitar I've ever played that I'd compare to this Alvarez is a 3 year old Taylor 310. The new Taylor 310's didn't even sound as good.
corndogggy
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http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Alvarez-Professional-Series-PD80SC-Dreadnought-AcousticElectric-Cutaway?sku=518818

I gots this one:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Alvarez-Professional-Series-PD80S-Dreadnought-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=518823

Not counting the case, I've got about $75 tied up in it, yet it's one of the best guitars I've ever played. I'm friends with a custom guitar builder too, so I've played some pretty danged sweet ones.
tyenser
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#14
First of all most of what's said above is BS, I own the HPL acoustic and have left it outside and nothing has happened to it and the tone is great. I don't know where they get off saying it doesn't sound like an acoustic either. Sure I would of liked to buy a higher dollar Martin but with the budget i had and the sound I was looking for it is exactly what I wanted. The finish on the guitar is great also you can't put a scratch on this thing the finish is by far the most durable finished guitar I have ever owned. You can leave any guitar in a car or in the sun and it will go south on you it doesn't matter what it's made of because it's all held together with glue. You heat any glue up for an extended amount of time and it will fail.
corndogggy
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I don't know where they get off saying it doesn't sound like an acoustic either.


The ones I played did actually sound decent. It at least sounded better than the low end Taylor's.


Quote by tyenser
The finish on the guitar is great also you can't put a scratch on this thing the finish is by far the most durable finished guitar I have ever owned.


The durability of the finish isn't what I have beef with, it's that it just doesn't feel right. Plus, when they fall apart, the durability of the finish doesn't matter much. It's not what I'd call a finish anyway, finish is something you put on top of real wood.


But, I mean, if you like the thing, more power to you, sorry that it seems like I'm insulting you. I just bet most people wouldn't buy it if it didn't say Martin on it.
tyenser
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#16
Whoever the person is who stated that Martin has changed their warranty do to failure of the HPL guitar got his information from an unreliable source. Just got off the phone with Martin and they stated that under normal conditions and proper care of any Martin Guitar if the guitar does delaminate in anyway that it is covered under their warranty. Like I said before you can't expect to leave your guitar in the beating hot sun and believe the glues will not fail.
tyenser
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#17
You didn't insult me I wasn't taking it that way I'm just trying to explain that from experience I have had no issues with the guitar as far as the construction and the quality. I believe I did pay a little extra because the name Martin was on it but it was within my budget and Martin is a quality name so I trusted that. Plus personnally I love the look of the guitar with the ebony fretboard, all black body and the contrast of the neck. And. I'm sure there are a hundred guitars that I could have bought for the money and maybe they are better quality in the long run, but I got what I was looking. And no offense taken by the way. Like you said to each his own.
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#18
Forget the DXM. It is a laminate guitar with a laminate top. My son has one. It has no ooomph and you will grow to hate it.

Personally go buy a Blueridge guitar. You will get a lot of bang for the buck with they same money especially if you buy them off e-bay. Look at the BR-140 or they have some other guitars that are cheaper.
wonder725
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#19
Hold on now, it seems like all the X series hate comes from around here.
http://www.fenderforum.com/forum.html?db=&topic_number=588094&lastpost=2006-09-2316:52:28&offset=11
these guys seem to love it
"Humidity-wise, every guitar I have except my HPL Martin goes through some issues every spring and fall due to massive humidity changes in my area.

My acoustics and archtop electrics get kinda squirly around the 17th fret, and my soild body electrics typically need their truss rod and string height adjusted, but my HPL Martin stays true season to season."

and these guys too

http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116956
I've personally never tried them but I'd love to hear from someone else who has. I'm pretty interested in them and all i'm gettin is conflicting reports.
Chad48309
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#20
Alright, no one seems to get it, so I'm going to break it down for you: money. The price of any of the X series guitars is grossly inflated. Why on earth would you pay $450 for a fake guitar. Yes, it's a fake guitar, because it has no other purpose than to inflate Martin's name for an arm and a leg.

Honestly, it's just despicable. It makes Gibson acoustics look like the Salvation-****ing-Army.
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Quote by Chad48309
Alright, no one seems to get it, so I'm going to break it down for you: money. The price of any of the X series guitars is grossly inflated. Why on earth would you pay $450 for a fake guitar. Yes, it's a fake guitar, because it has no other purpose than to inflate Martin's name for an arm and a leg.

Honestly, it's just despicable. It makes Gibson acoustics look like the Salvation-****ing-Army.


It's pretty shameless indeed.
Chad48309
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#22
I remember watching a tour of the Martin factory where Chris Martin was showing people around the factory. He got to the area with all the grey slabs of HPL and he said "And this is where we have the HPL for our X Series guitars. We . . . we don't like to call it drywall."

The problem with "HPL" is that it isn't like other laminates. It's this recycled paper crap that's pressed into grey blocks of ****, then they apply a big sticker that looks like woodgrain. That's petty. I mean, that's really petty. At least the laminate on my Seagull is actually a piece of Cherry and a piece of Maple that've been glued and pressed together. It's actually wood.
Sincerely, Chad.
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LaLaLaLoopy
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#23
WOW ! havnt been here a while, seems like a huge debate over the Martin X guitars......I too did some investigating and was told that they were basicly made from the waste/sawdust of the other Martins that are made. Mr Martin himself was touring the factory and asked what was done with all the saw dust, he was told it went to a hardwood flooring company where they made floor panels from it.......so thats how the idea of making guitars from it came about....................anyways....I did not buy the Martin,instead i bought a Takamine EAN76 with hard case. A great sounding guitar at half price. Had it a couple months now and Im loving it.
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#24
hey, i just stumbled on your thread here. glad you like your Takamine. i've got a dealer around the corner, they make a nice guitar at an affordable price.

as for the Martin. (and i know the discussion is old) but, i think it's gotten a bit of a bad rap here. i bought my 000cxae years ago. maybe 5 years, i can't remember.

i LOVE that guitar. it's the easiest acoustic i've ever played. i love how, when i pick it up, it always feels the same. (i've got so many guitars, they are always in need of tweaking.)

and when i play out with it, I always get complements from other musicians, and these guys have been around a while, and are used to playing pro gear.

Sure, initially, the "idea" of laminated guitar was a turn off for me, but then i played it. Martin made me a believer.

anyway, congrats
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tom183
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#25
I own the HPL acoustic and have left it outside and nothing has happened to it and the tone is great.


It wont happen overnight but if not properly humidified it will happen.
timmyinpajamas
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#26
ok so my friend brought over his dx1 yesterday and it played so DULL .. he was loving it but i thought it would of had been better .. my fg730s sounds better than it .. but i was comparing it with my masterbilt so maybe thats y it sounds so lame ... also i wasnt a fan of the neck .. it looks to funky for my taste .. look wise i really liked it ... but sound and playability i was not a fan .. the other day i was at guitar center and i asked the guy about the dx1 and he said lol (na .. just keep walking .. there recycled crap) just paying for the name .. so who knows
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I just played my X series Martin for the first time in awhile. It's never been off the front porch, which is shady, or out in humid weather. It lives in its OO size Martim case. I've been playing and writing on my 1999 Gibson Hummingbird for some months now. It's a wonderful guitar and gets better as the wood opens up with age. The Martin won't do that, but it sounds good to me. Of my 85 guitars, it's definitely in the top 20. I love the 00 size, so I find it easy to play. It does sound a little different from my wood guitars, Guild, Gibsons, Takamines, a Washburn, etc. but I wouldn't call it plasticky and it sounds nice recorded in a mix. I would like to lower the action just a tad, and none of my tools will reach down the long slot to get to the truss rod, which the literature says it has. I probably wouldn't buy another one, but it's OK for the money ($400 on line). It's real punchy and has good volume throughout the lows, mids, and highs. I guess what I really wanted was a guitar that said Martin.
azrael4h
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#28
I have a custom x Martin, and quite frankly, would kick myself if I bought another one. While I've had no quality issues out of it, the sound is dull and fake. You can easily get a better guitar, cheaper. At most, you'll need a setup. But then, I had to set up this Martin as well.

I'm probably going to take it in and trade it Saturday. There was a acoustic up there under $300 that advertised as solid Mahogany back and sides, that I liked. Can't recall the brand, but it played better, sounded better, and that's what matters.