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#1
ya rly.

After playing with the amp for about a year now, I've realized that this amp isn't really for me--well, it might be, but I've just been clueless lately.

Essentially, I was really dissapointed with my amp yesterday at a gig we had. It was extremely noisy, delay sounded like crap on it on higher volumes, and it just doesn't seem to have enough gain for what I want. It might just be me, or my cables, or me just not cranking it loud enough, but I'm seriously thinking about selling it if I can get a price close to what I payed for.

So If I do sell it, I'm asking, what amp would better suite me now? I want honest opinions, not hearsay, but people who actually own the amps.

I want something high gained--as high as metal territory, but I also want the amp to be well rounded. It has to be versatile, HAS to have an fx loop, combo, I can go used, etc.

The type of tone i'm going for is something heavy and thick. I've always envied those 80's metal band's tone, so I guess we can start there.

Price range is 1,000 to 1,400. I can go used.
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#4
I don't personally own one, but I was seriously considering a Mark IV before I didn't get as much financial aid as I thought I would get for college. The one issue people seem to have is that it does take awhile to dial in a fantastic sound into it, it has tons of options and can be extremely versatile. Obviously I'd go used with one, they seem to go for decent prices on ebay and you can sometimes catch a great deal with one.

Just my two cents.
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#9
I'm considering doing the same. Except the other way round. I don't need gain at all. 65 Twin RI for my RV50 combo, straight swap. You think anyone'll do it? I think I'll be the one losing out there.
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#12
noooooooo!

honestly, it looks like you're into a less midrangey tone, and a used mark IV would be right up your alley. does great 80s metal, glassy cleans, with ease. and i just came across a setting where the lowend finally kicks you in the chest, granted i never woulda thought of it.

... wanna trade?
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#13
Heh, flame all you want, but even If I do sell my orange, I still have the utmost respect for the company.

Like I said, I may not even sell it.

AND NICE TRY, BECKY. D:
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#14
Meh, the VCs cleans are nicer anyway

You were so happy with it, though. I'd really love to get one but the only thing stopping me from just holding everything off and saving up for one is the lack of an effects loop. Well, as well as the fact my parents would slaughter me. And CBA saving up... Ahh.
#15
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noooooooo!

honestly, it looks like you're into a less midrangey tone, and a used mark IV would be right up your alley. does great 80s metal, glassy cleans, with ease. and i just came across a setting where the lowend finally kicks you in the chest, granted i never woulda thought of it.

... wanna trade?

o_o

you're wanting to get rid of your amp too?
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#16
nah, not really

granted, it is way more powerful than i need currently. but the recordings i make with it make up for it.

the thing is, i'd really just like both
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#17
Isn't this so like when you've been going out with a really hot girl for ages and then you just kind of realsie it's not working, so sad!
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#18
Hey Jin, this is what I think: You're overreacting.

Wasn't this -like- your first gig with your new band?

I think you need to take a deep breath, and relax. You have a great amp. One that's really built to nail those Marshall-y 80's metal tones. Your amp and OCD should be able to handle that stuff - absolutely, no problem. I know you felt you were too loud, but that can be adjusted. Gabel uses an attenuator with his Rocker 30 when he gigs, maybe you should look into something like that. Maybe you just need to tweak your settings some more. Practice with your band at gig levels, and play with your sound during rehearsal. That's part of what practice is all about.

Failing that, maybe something like a small Soldano or Budda is more up your alley. If you can get your parents on board, you can offer your amp up for trade on Craig's List and spell out what you're looking for in return. I've completed a couple trades on CL that I think were mutually beneficial.

Really think it thru, though. There are A LOT of worse amps than the Rocker 30 out there.
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#21
This is like when I sold my Plexi, the king stepped down from the throne. Then I can take over as the leader of the Orange Revolution (after most of the creators, besides Philjay) no longer has Orange.

But being a R30 owner (and I LOVE MY R30) I can see why you are selling it. It's definetly not a very high gain amp IMHO, even if it's got gain, it can get muddy with high gain. And I agree delay sounds like crap through it really.

ENGL Screamer is a good choice. These are also worth checking out:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Peavey-6505-212-Combo-2x12-Guitar-Amp?sku=481433 /

The 6505 has great crunch IMHO, perfect for 80's metal. It might lack some in the cleans, but not as horrible as people say. It also has a great classic rock tone IMHO.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Engl-Screamer-50W-1x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=481595

Very versatile and very good amp.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Peavey-JSX-212-Joe-Satriani-Combo-Amp?sku=481441X

That one's supposdely great and VERY versatile.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/GenzBenz-El-Diablo-60C-60W30W-1x12-Tube-Guitar-Combo?sku=481326

Hear good things about them

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Engl-Thunder-50W-1x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp-with-Reverb?sku=481596

Supposedly very good from what I have heard (I think at least)

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#22
Noo!
Orange's biggest fan is leaving them..

I agree with Slats.
If however, you STILL think this way...
Hmm...
Do Carvin V3's come in combos?

edit:
If not, I definitely agree with Gabe about the 6505 (especially the + version). The crunch on this thing is amazing.
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#23
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Noo!
Orange's biggest fan is leaving them..

I agree with Slats.
If however, you STILL think this way...
Hmm...
Do Carvin V3's come in combos?


Legacy's certainly do if they don't.

Which may be more up your alley than a V3
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#24
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Legacy's certainly do if they don't.

Which may be more up your alley than a V3


Ah ok- I havn't tried the Legacy
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#25
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Ah ok- I havn't tried the Legacy


Neither have I, I'm just going on word of mouth here

But their supposedly a bit lower gain and tighter sounding, so it would be a bit closer to home, if you will.

Although if Jin's looking to totally move away from the r30 sound...
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#26
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#27
Thanks for the help guys.

Keep in mind, versatility is the key.
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#28
I would give it a bit more time before parting with that beauty. I know the R30 can do 80's metal. I would get an attenuator and leave your OCD on all the time and get a booster (ZVEX SHO or HAO Rust Boost) to send you into solo territory. Also, a mid-boost circuit may be an option (Pete Cornish?).

If you do decide to sell, I would look at a used Mark III/IV.
#29
^Thanks for the advice. It's a great amp--just that it gets extremely noisy when it's turned up. But yeah, I'll definetly look into the mark III/IV. I saw one going used for 850 here!
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#30
I think a Rivera Knucklehead would be really good for you. Cleans and Crunch are excellent, i'm not a fan of high gain amps but when i played one it sounded GREAT for what it was. You can get em used for like 1200.
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#31
I agree with UnsignedRecords, I think a Mark IV would be exactly what you're looking for. I've tried the 6505s, JSX, El Diablo, V3, Legacy, etc and they just can't do what the Mesa can. Mark IVs are like the kings of versatile. I guarantee you won't be dissapointed.

However, I don't really agree with UnsignedRecord's comment, "honestly, it looks like you're into a less midrangey tone, and a used mark IV would be right up your alley." Maybe I'm just reading this wrong, but the Mark IV is all about the mids.
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#32
It makes me sad to see you disliking an amp that made you so happy before. If you get unhappy with the Picture wah, keep me in mind to buy it. I'd suggest you give slats' advice a shot before selling your amp. But good luck in your tone ventures.

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#33
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I agree with UnsignedRecords, I think a Mark IV would be exactly what you're looking for. I've tried the 6505s, JSX, El Diablo, V3, Legacy, etc and they just can't do what the Mesa can. Mark IVs are like the kings of versatile. I guarantee you won't be dissapointed.

However, I don't really agree with UnsignedRecord's comment, "honestly, it looks like you're into a less midrangey tone, and a used mark IV would be right up your alley." Maybe I'm just reading this wrong, but the Mark IV is all about the mids.

stop contradicting me!

and yeah, i might've worded that wrong. the mark is chock full of mids, but the character of a rocker just has a way more of a (don't wanna say middy...) vintagey(?) edge than the mark does.

bah, i suck with words
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#34
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stop contradicting me!

and yeah, i might've worded that wrong. the mark is chock full of mids, but the character of a rocker just has a way more of a (don't wanna say middy...) vintagey(?) edge than the mark does.

bah, i suck with words

Haha

Yeah, true, it does have a more vintagey tone to it. The Mark IV is kinda vintagey as well, but sounds more modern than the Rocker 30 for sure.
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#35


The Rivera looks nice. I was thinking about it after I saw the guitar world review.

And I was actually thinking about selling the way...but, I'm figuring I'm selling things too fast. I'll hold on to it for now.
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#36
phew, dodged a bullet there...
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phew, dodged a bullet there...

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#38
btw, is it really that difficult to dial in tones with the mark IV? I'm assuming that the mark IV is the end all--be all type of amp--looking at the EQ section, it sure does look that way.
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btw, is it really that difficult to dial in tones with the mark IV? I'm assuming that the mark IV is the end all--be all type of amp--looking at the EQ section, it sure does look that way.

No, not really. There's tons of sites online and even the manual that give you some really good starting points, then you just tweak a bit from there. It took me maybe 10min to find an awesome sound out of mine. Granted, I'm still tweaking a little bit here and there everyonce and a while, but it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
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#40
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btw, is it really that difficult to dial in tones with the mark IV? I'm assuming that the mark IV is the end all--be all type of amp--looking at the EQ section, it sure does look that way.

just depends on your patience, ear, and uh... whatever you want out of it. i dunno if i'd call it an 'end all-be all' type of amp. but it could be close ha.

and the boogieboards has a couple settings that i liked, and worked off of. anyway, if possible, you should check the amp out.
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