#1
Is wanting to buy either a Marshall MG halfstack, or that one crate halfstack.
I keep talking to him to get a tube combo (Like, used peavey classics, palominos, other nice combos like that), and he doesn't want them because they're not a stack.
He hasn't tried a tube amp before, and thinks that amps with higher wattages are automatically better than lower wattage amps. He also said that a 100w marshall MG will sound better than a budda superdrive 18 watt just on the fact that the marshall is bigger, higher wattage, and Marshall.
Can you help me reason with him? He's getting ready to buy one, and I want to stop him from buying something that he'll end up regretting.
Thanks!
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#2
Is this the dude that was in your vid?
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#3
Nope.
But the guy in the video wants to get the Line6 spider 150 watt stack. But, he likes to spend his cash on gay stuff like ipods and stuff like that, so he only has a budget of like 150 bucks, increasing very slowly.
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#4
the spiders sound fun, at .5 volume.
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#5
Just get him to try a tube combo and an mg side by side in a store.
If he doesn't hear the difference, then let him spend his money and regret it later.
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#6
Just let him do it. But warn him about $600 wasted that he won't get back....
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#7
All right.
I wouldn't want him to regret it or anything like that though.
Plus, we hang out alot and play guitar, so for the sake of my ears, it'd be nice if he had decent tone.
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#8
i completely agree w/ Miggy, if he doesn't notice the difference in tone...then he'll realize a few weeks down the road!!

but to the TS, i COMPLETELY know how it feels to see a friend eager for something that i know for a fact is a terrible decision....but if you go around telling him he's wrong he might just think you're being conceited and that you're a know-it-all.

friends don't let friends make dip**** purposes....

play some MCR or some band he can't stand the tone of and tell him that they all use MGs, and that MGs are known for that one and only tone.
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#9
tell him to get the peavey windsor half stack
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#10
I showed him some SRV songs, and he loved his tone, and I told him that he liked to use fenders and marshalls and stuff. Then he started fighting with me, here's our conversation:

Friend: I like this guy's tone.
Me: Yeah, he used fender and marshall amps alot.
Friend: So, if I get the marshall halfstack, i'll sound like that?
Me: No, the marshall you're wanting won't sound like that at all.
Friend: Why not? You said he used marshalls, so why won't the one I want sound like him?
Me: He used nice valve marshalls, and nice overdrives too. The MG won't sound like him because it's solid state so it doesn't have the same dynamics and voicing, and it just sounds fake because it's a bad solid state (told him that some solid states were good)
Friend: But it's marshall, so it has to be good. Jimi hendrix and everyone like that used marshalls.
Me: Not MG's
Friend: But, marshall MG's are solid state, so they're cheaper and more reliable, and the MG has more wattage and effects BUILT IN.
Me: Well, you'll realize after a couple weeks after you buy the MG/Crate that you made a mistake.
Friend: No I won't, you'll see.

So, this kid is stubborn. If he wants to, i'll just let him get it, but I may just laugh on the inside when he wants to return it, and he finds out that the return policy is over. Oh well, it happens.
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#11
Yeah, let him keep it until the return policy's finished.


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#12
jesus. tell him the peavey windsor is designed to be a hot rodded marshall. and make him shut up.


or you shut up for a month, and tell him, "you still like it? i hope not."
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#13
Oh yeah, almost forgot about the windsor.
I told him about that too, but he said that he won't play a peavey. He claims they're stupid.
And I told him that it's quite nice, and showed him a pic, and he said that it looked "gay".
I even told him that it'll sound more marshally than the mg. He just replied and said "what'll sound more marshally than a marshall? Only a marshall can sound marshally, not a peavey".
I had a desire to slap him.
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#14
just deny him the rights to play any marshall halfstack in your house.
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#15
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Oh yeah, almost forgot about the windsor.
I told him about that too, but he said that he won't play a peavey. He claims they're stupid.
And I told him that it's quite nice, and showed him a pic, and he said that it looked "gay".
I even told him that it'll sound more marshally than the mg. He just replied and said "what'll sound more marshally than a marshall? Only a marshall can sound marshally, not a peavey".
I had a desire to slap him.

Take him to a guitar store so he can play both amps. If doesn't change his mind, let him take the MG home. When he tells you why does the MG have bad tone, use the 'I told you so'.
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#16
ur explaining it to him wrong.

marshall gets the marshall sound. of course. they make it.


but waht everyone wants is the vintage marshall sound. not the ones in production now. ones in current production is ****ty as horse dump. (i hate mine too. but i'll see if a powertube swap would help) tell him that marshall changed their sound over the years (most notably '93 or so when JCM900 was introduced). the tone before that is the good tone. after, imo is crappy. JCM900 was only mediocre. JCM2000 just fell over.


so JCM800 is as far as i go. and up to that point, it was nothing bad. the tone stayed similar with more gain available. and a windsor is a hairy JCM800.
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#18
whenever you jam with him, buy some earplugs, don't tell him you're wearing them, and crank your classic 50. and tell him you won't turn it down til he returns the mg.
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#19
hahahaha, wow your friend is funny, just tell him to buy it. maybe he just wants to get the oposite op what you tell him...
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#20
Allright, i'll try explaining it to him like that EC.
Not sure if it'll help, it'll just make him want the crate more lol.
I'll try though.
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#21
^go into the circuits. the peavey is better for the same price.

although u might want a different cab... or the peavey windsor studio.
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#22
I feel your pain man. While I have the same MG I know it is a pile of crap, whereas the other guitarist in my band has one aswell and can't hear how bad they both sound (thought i'd also add he has been playing for 6 years, me 3 years ). Then the other day I got me a JCM900 but at band practice yesterday the main fuse blew (need to get this sh*t sorted) before I got to show him the awesome difference in tone. He said "see, I told you valve amps are more trouble than they are worth", I wasn't in the mood so jokes so promptly told him to f-off and commented on the fact that he didn't even know how to plug in his volume boost pedal properly. Like your friend, he is too stubborn/bone-idle to realise he sounds like someone who licks windows.
The worst part is that I bought my MG because he said it was good and I trusted him because I had no tone ear back then.

/rant.

So anyway my advice. There is no getting through to people like this so I say just steal his money from him, buy a tube combo, hide it from his until the return date has passed then give it to him. Tough love.
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#23
or just tell him this:

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#24
I feel your pain. I have a friend who I FINALLY after a few months convinced to get a Windsor stack instead of an MG. I also have another friend who INSISTS on this SS Ibanez head http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-TBX150H-Tone-Blaster-Xtreme-Guitar-Amp-Head?sku=480946 that he has never tried because he thinks that Ibanez is the ONLY company that makes good guitars so they must make the best amps. His ignorance annoys me but I really don't care. He can buy it but I know he'll be looking for a new amp in a couple years.
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