#1
I know bass is more than root notes, but I don't know how to get away from it. Like I've said before I'm in a band( well right now its me and a friend just jamming right now since theres only 2 people) and I want to better myself as a bassist by using more than root notes and such and I want know ideas of how.

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#2
use the third and fifth of the chord. thast the most basic thing i can tell you

if the chord is: 1: 3 5

A: C E
B: D F
C: E G
D: F A
E: G B
F: A C
G: B D

so ya i hope that helps. surely you know that if the key is G and you want to play a B chord. you have to play B D F# not just F

hope i can help

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#3
Quote by timzee117
use the third and fifth of the chord. thast the most basic thing i can tell you

if the chord is: 1: 3 5

A: C E
B: D F
C: E G
D: F A
E: G B
F: A C
G: B D

so ya i hope that helps. surely you know that if the key is G and you want to play a B chord. you have to play B D F# not just F

hope i can help


if he knows absolutely no theory why would he know the G scale?

learning theory will help tremendously: musictheory.net is your friend here. Basic thing to do, like the previous guy mentioned, is work with the roots at first, and then add in some fills, the easiest would probably be something in the pentatonic scale. Pentatonic fills are pretty easy, i'm sure there's some stuff on the musci theory site to explain it a bit better.


If you learn all of your scales, you will be able to know what sounds good in what situation, so i suggest learning your scales
#4
Thanks for the web site. theory is something that i've attempted to learn a few times before but my resources on it were limited so it amounted to nothing. now i'm thinking of takin a course at a community college on it if they offer it.
#5
it's extremely helpful but, as you've noticed difficult to learn, hopefully that site helps.
#6
You might find it easier to hire an instructor who will teach you theory as applied to the bass, as opposed to just general theory. Alone, theory can seem abstract and imposing.
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#7
yeah just use scales, and throw some rhythm into it so you're not playing a droning sound whether its root notes or not.

G - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
D - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
A 55555555 77777777
E - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

can become


G - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -9
D - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -7
A 02355575 5/10 977 7- - - -777
E - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

just learn some basic patterns (scales) and throw them in so the bassline sounds varied and not boring (at least thats what i've been doing for root note situations, but it's also important to know that rote notes sometime may be necessary to keep the whole track sounding together, it just depends on what sounds good in what situation. oh and the complexity of the fills varies depending on how fast you're playing, at least for me, only having been playing for 10 months
Last edited by Wildcat31 at Jan 30, 2008,
#9
Quote by Mongoose87
You might find it easier to hire an instructor who will teach you theory as applied to the bass, as opposed to just general theory. Alone, theory can seem abstract and imposing.


i understand where you're coming from but if I do get an instructor it'd have to wait until summer so I can have a more consistent schedule, thats why I'm primarily looking for like some web sites and books I can check out from the library and such, and not just about theory necessarily but anything that may help further my (limited ) bass playing ability.
#10
plAY OFF the arpegio. if the chord has sya a dominent 7th then by god sakes play the damn 7th in part of your basslind while the chord. have a minor sound/feel/chord then play that minor 3rd and let that puppy sing out.

generally you should have that inner bassist in you head that has the bassline playing through your head over and over and play off of that. i would say a bass guitar should be playing something other than the lead guitar 90% of the time. unison is to stress/emphisize a hook.
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#11
buy a book! study a chord diagram for about 15 mins each day. dont memorize where evrything is. memorize where evrything is in relation to eachother. look at a minor 3rd chord and name the root the 3rd the 5th and the octave. look at a major7th and 13thchords and find all of the 7ths and 13ths. that should start you off somewhere. you should start getting in your head how to play in key. know "okay i use any of theese 5 notes here to make my melody" "i'll be fine as long as i stay away from theese two notes" stuff like that.
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#12
TS, I have the perfect, perfect link for you. Helped me so much when I first started out.

http://www.cyberfretbass.com/line-creation/index.php

It teaches you how to chromatically approach the root note, and after you master that, you can go on to the other lesson there, the Root chord 5th lesson.
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#13
Quote by timzee117
use the third and fifth of the chord. thast the most basic thing i can tell you

if the chord is: 1: 3 5

A: C E
B: D F
C: E G
D: F A
E: G B
F: A C
G: B D

so ya i hope that helps. surely you know that if the key is G and you want to play a B chord. you have to play B D F# not just F

hope i can help

C is a minor third in A, so is D in B, F in D, G in E,
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#14
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TS, I have the perfect, perfect link for you. Helped me so much when I first started out.

http://www.cyberfretbass.com/line-creation/index.php

It teaches you how to chromatically approach the root note, and after you master that, you can go on to the other lesson there, the Root chord 5th lesson.


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#15
Quote by Wildcat31
yeah just use scales, and throw some rhythm into it so you're not playing a droning sound whether its root notes or not.

G - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
D - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
A 55555555 77777777
E - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

can become


G - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -9
D - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -7
A 02355575 5/10 977 7- - - -777
E - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

just learn some basic patterns (scales) and throw them in so the bassline sounds varied and not boring (at least thats what i've been doing for root note situations, but it's also important to know that rote notes sometime may be necessary to keep the whole track sounding together, it just depends on what sounds good in what situation. oh and the complexity of the fills varies depending on how fast you're playing, at least for me, only having been playing for 10 months


No offense, but that line sounds awful.
TS, you will have to dedicate time into theory learning.
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#16
A book I suggest you buy is "Fretboard Alchemy" off of www.bassbooks.com It has a tremendous amount of scales in it along with diagrams of how each scale is fingered, arpeggios and avoid notes.

I think it is invaluvable and it should help you out a great deal.
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#17
Quote by Funkbass796
A book I suggest you buy is "Fretboard Alchemy" off of www.bassbooks.com It has a tremendous amount of scales in it along with diagrams of how each scale is fingered, arpeggios and avoid notes.

I think it is invaluvable and it should help you out a great deal.


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