Poll: Which is more important?
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2. Natural talent
6 4%
1.
9 6%
0. Both the same
26 18%
1.
40 27%
2. Dedication
65 45%
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#2
Dedication of course.

Only complete retards fail to learn guitar, basically every bassist then......
#3
Talent is only the product of dedication.
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#4
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Talent is only the product of dedication.


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Dedication of course.

Only complete retards fail to learn guitar, basically every bassist then......


Good luck with ever being in a decent band dude ^^
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#6
Quote by Lateralus17
Dedication of course.

Only complete retards fail to learn guitar, basically every bassist then......


*reported*

99% of the time, all this 'talent' stuff is BS. The greats dedicated their lived to playing, and it payed of after many years.
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#8
You can practice ten hours a day and learn all the theory there is to know, but still lack in the creativity field. That part requires talent.
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#10
I don't really think there is such thing as natural talent, because it's more about learning than ability to start with.
#11
Dedication. What's the point of natural talent if you don't use it OR enhance it?


:edit

Turtle, I think natural talent means that you pick it up faster then anyone else. For instance; Playing rythym comes really easy to me. I hear a song, and I can play the rythym. For most of the people around me, they need to take the time to have it taught to them or sometimes just can't get it all all. The point of dedication is, why waste my gift with rythym just playing Nirvana or something, when I could be using it to do much more with practice.
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#12
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You can practice ten hours a day and learn all the theory there is to know, but still lack in the creativity field. That part requires talent.


which you get through practice at it...
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#13
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*reported*

99% of the time, all this 'talent' stuff is BS. The greats dedicated their lived to playing, and it payed of after many years.


your reporting him for discriminating bass-players?
#14
dedication will lead to talent, that's all there is, there aint no more.
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your reporting him for discriminating bass-players?


Just general idiocy actually.
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#18
I've been debating this with myself for some time now.

Prince is extremely talented with musical instruments, if you've ever hear him play guitar. But I'm sure he wasn't nearly as dedicated with the guitar as some of the other guitar legends.
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#19
so John Paul Jones is an idiot? John Deacon, the man who wrote Another One Bites The Dust, is dumb? (btw Deacon has a university degree, so up yours, Lateralus17)

without talent, dedication will get you only to the land of pure speed; a.k.a. boring show-off.

without dedication, talent is wasted.

a balance of the two, with some other stuff thrown in, will in most cases lead to an at least decent guitarist.
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#20
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your reporting him for discriminating bass-players?


No idea why he reported me, although I can't say I'm suprised knowing some people on here.

It was a JOKE, lighten up.
#21
What the **** do you think?

My outburst had something to do with the fact that "natural talent", in the context of which you use it, means nothing at all. What you are trying to say is how easily someone picks up things or learns things. This has nothing bearing to "natural talent", its just someones learning curve, which will be directly affected by their dedication.

Therefore, Natural Talent => dedication.

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#22
The truly talented don't play guitar, actually they don't play at all.


...They compose classical music.
#23
For some people the natural talent comes AFTER dedication. What's you get rolling, no one can stop you if you know what I mean.
#24
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which you get through practice at it...


Just like Danno13 just said, creativity can't be learned.
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You can practice ten hours a day and learn all the theory there is to know, but still lack in the creativity field. That part requires talent.

I know about that, this one dude is extremely fast with the sweeps- his solo was really smooth but it severely lacked soul and rhythm and it sounded blah, sometimes you just got to have some musical talent.
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#26
Quote by gm jack
Just general idiocy actually.


lol so true, the comment was ignorant to say the least. I dont really care about bass players, but to say that all of them are second rate guitarists is insulting towards them. Im sure John Paul Jones, John Entwhistle of The Who and Flea might argue that.
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#27
with dedication, you become the musician to aspire to be, and with talent, you become the musician you are
#29
Both.
Talent alone will take you nowhere.
But talent will make the difference if you put a lot of dedication.
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#30
Quote by Lateralus17
Dedication of course.

Only complete retards fail to learn guitar, basically every bassist then......



douche


I say both equally for the most part. It takes dedication to get really good in your technique, but a natural feel for music to make it sound good. Having some natural talent also means learning faster in most cases. But to sound like Petrucci or Satch or Jaco, that's all dedication.
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#31
I think a Combination Of Dedication & Soul/Taste makes a great guitar player. I dont believe in natural talent just hardwork.
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#32
dedication, but some people do find it easyer then others, no matter how much they play. But this could be from stuff like hand size, strengh etc
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#33
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I think a Combination Of Dedication & Soul/Taste makes a great guitar player. I dont believe in natural talent just hardwork.
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#34
Quote by Dimebag Dave
Just like Danno13 just said, creativity can't be learned.


so you write your first song. it consists of C, D, G and E minor. it's very simple but it's a start.

from there, you start including more chords, you start to realise what chords sound good together and what chords give the desired effect.

is that not learning creativity?
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#35
I'd think dedication is. Because someone can have natural talent but hate playing and not put anything into it. But if you dedicate yourself to your music, even if you don't have natural talent, then it shows a great appreciation for your instrument of choice.
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#36
C'mon people...
Talent is just an excuse for why you suck even though have played for 3 years, and the other guy rocks even though he has only played for 2 years.

Its ALL about dedication! But really I couldnt care about what you think...

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#37
Quote by gm jack
*reported*

99% of the time, all this 'talent' stuff is BS. The greats dedicated their lived to playing, and it payed of after many years.



ooo reported.. get a life there tough guy
#39
Hell, I don't know a damn thing about guitar theory, I can't even read one the articles about guitar theory without completely losing interest 1 whole minute in- but I always seem to come up with catchy melodies every day, I have half a book full of tabs I wrote myself and all of them are catchy or sound good in some way(or else I wouldn't have wrote them down)
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#40
Quote by Sol9989
so you write your first song. it consists of C, D, G and E minor. it's very simple but it's a start.

from there, you start including more chords, you start to realise what chords sound good together and what chords give the desired effect.

is that not learning creativity?


Not in the same sense. Think Dragonforce versus Metallica. Herman Li could walk up and down Hammett, but Kirk's solos still sound cooler IMO. TTFATF has cool solos...but the solos rest of the album sound just like them. MoP, in comparison...well you get the idea.
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